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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July he might be forever me here

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on the airport who has announced been

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applying there - found and is now in the

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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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change the game changer I occasionally

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think how quickly our differences

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy church on the game-changer Radio

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Network and kg are a the global radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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like with Jimmy judge on the game change

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good evening how you doing

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fade to black this

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today's Tuesday

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271 days into the new year just 94 days

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we are live from

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network in kg re the

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planets I'm here of Timmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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yeah for the night last night on the

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show

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Mitch Horowitz amazing conversation what

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a great week we've got lined up for you

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and tonight very special guest John

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Greenwald will join us to talk about the

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Japan Airlines UFO incident that's right

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as well as some new UFO info on a tip

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now one document is surfaced John

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Greenwald has released it we're gonna

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talk about that document tonight and

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it's gonna be a great show the Japan

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Airlines UFO encounter I'm going to get

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to that in just a minute

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is one of the great most documented UFO

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encounters on an official level in world

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history and so we're going to discuss

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that there's so much about this story

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and then John has been on it for over 17

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years so tonight we're going to discuss

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all of that and of course a tip what is

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a tip I know I know I know I know

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and tonight we're gonna continue to keep

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our foot on the gas and try to figure

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this this situation out so that's what

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we're gonna do tonight tomorrow night

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Julia Moss Bridge PhD will be here to

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talk about precognition and time-travel

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with her new book the premonition code

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fate or night okay Thursday night is our

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fourth show this week with Dean Radin

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PhD he's going to be here and that is a

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show which goes with everything that

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we've done this week Dean Radin well you

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know and you know it like with Mitch

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Horowitz right Dean Radin John Greenwald

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is another one and Julia Mossberg these

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for a very long time and John

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interview John forever I remember and

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you know he's been on the show with as

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probably three years ago four years ago

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which was here in Southern California

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announcer the emcee and I and I walk up

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to him in the lounge I'm like so John

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gonna do it soon we're gonna do it soon

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it took like two years I mean he was

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had all these things going on plus the

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black volton and everything else and

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television programming so it's just a

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busy guy but yeah you know and and we're

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knocking all of it out this week so

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and I can't wait for Thursday Dean Radin

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is finally going to be here and please

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head over to on stellar on stellar

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dot-com o NS t e ll AR comm get

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registered it is the great social media

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platform and you know today I was you

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know working with the guys over at on

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stellar and you know looking at some

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some new stuff that's coming out anyway

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looking at that I'm going back and I'm

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looking at on stellar and comparing it

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to other stuff and and and looking I'm

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looking platform it is just so well

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thought out and it's just so well done

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I'm just so happy with on stellar on

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stellar calm and get over there get

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registered and see what everybody is

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talking about I talk about it every

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night here on the show it is just it's

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I spend zero and when I say zero zero

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time on Facebook zero and Facebook and

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especially back in the day was so much a

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part of launching Jimmy Church radio and

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and I'm talking about going back to 2008

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and for what we do here and the amount

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of fans and and friends that we have

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made and so it you know I I get that and

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absolutely zero time on Facebook none

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important stuff over there I just it's

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people it's the platform you know

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so anyway covert on stellar dot-com

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that's where it is no advertising no

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tripping no data collection nothing you

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have no idea what it's like you've

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forgotten right what it's like to sit on

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a platform like that and communicate and

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share and make friends without an

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advertisement in sight it'll change you

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man it'll take you right back where you

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need to be on stellar comm Twitter of

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course at Jay Church radio Facebook is

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just plugging along we just

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click a like but you know whatever

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post up there and everything is is easy

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to find over at our website you're

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mature radio calm and if you want to

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hang out with us on Twitter hashtag f2b

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is what you want to do that is the

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sandbox hashtag F to be any questions or

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comments use hash tag F to be Q what

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that's cool that's cool that's funny

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that's gonna get a retweet right there

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who did this that is funny suit glows in

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banner said this is soo close right now

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I got to do this I got to do this before

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this gets away from me Georgio have you

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seen this check out the background there

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you go I'm doing this in real time I got

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I just I got you know sometimes stuff

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just has to happen there you go all

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right I just said that DiGiorgio that's

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my whole train of thought that was funny

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who created that the bill the bill

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okay all right well you can email me

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Jimmy Jimmy turds radio.com breaking

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news today Bill Cosby was sentenced to

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three to ten years in prison and was

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taken into custody immediately straight

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to the county jail in handcuffs from the

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courtroom and then earlier this evening

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he was transported to the Pennsylvania

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State Correctional Institution at

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Phoenix to begin serving his prison

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sentence for sexual assault

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when Cosby arrived earlier tonight he

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was given a uniform basic toiletries

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linens towels and state-issued boots

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seriously now SC I Phoenix is a

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maximum-security state prison in

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Collegeville Pennsylvania about 25 miles

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where Cosby was tried in Montgomery

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County I'm gonna tell you something

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you're a kid give me the crime you know

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I'm saying a kid you know under the age

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of 30 whatever and and you go to jail

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you can adapt you get those state issued

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boots whatever you know but when you get

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to the age of 80 and living the life of

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luxury like Cosby did

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and you're suddenly wearing state-issued

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under where you go from some silk to

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that yeah I don't know what kind of

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thread count-- he was laying on with his

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Egyptian cotton sheets but that's not

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what you get at the state pen and that

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is just got to be a really strange night

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tonight with Bill Cosby there you go

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also earlier today I watched it live

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Will Smith bungee jumped out of a

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helicopter earlier today

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1,000 feet into the Grand Canyon live on

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survived right there was a second reader

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did you watch it she goes anything

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happened I said no she goes no I didn't

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I didn't watch it

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but yeah and actually it was pretty

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bleep and nuts to watch when you think

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about it you know they've got multiple

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and it was a yeah it was pretty dramatic

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pretty dramatic to watch him go

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backwards out of that helicopter I

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feed on Twitter I didn't get shut down

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yet by YouTube for using probably copy

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written images but that's just the way

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it goes I just stole it right off the

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screen it was a it was pretty cool it

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was pretty cool I'm admitting it right

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now okay I didn't profit off of the

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images but it was a it was pretty nuts

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and I'm looking at the pictures now this

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first one is a Smith leaning over into

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the helicopter you can see the this is

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just before they took off and that's it

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I mean that's right before they took off

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and the next shot is when he dropped and

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and came back up and he was screaming

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you know they had a miked up and

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everything and there's another one as it

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started to settle down a little bit and

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he's turning around looking back and and

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there you go it was uh it was pretty

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cool

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did and I got to give him credit

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or that alright tonight John Greenwald

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is here I cannot wait for this we're

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gonna cover the Japan Airlines UFO

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encounter as well as the only Freedom of

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Information Act document to surface

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concerning a tip we've got all of that

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for you tonight so get ready John will

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be with us at the bottom of the hour

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happy birthday to today of course Will

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Smith who is 50 years old he did the

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bungee jump on his 50th birthday years

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ago when I worked for leases I went out

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for I did many many trips out to Will

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Smith's house out in well just out in

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West Lake in that area he doesn't live

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there anymore but I went out to his

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house and had to work on a studio that

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he was building out in his garage you

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know he had like a spare bedroom maid's

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room or something like that housekeepers

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thing that he had converted was

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converted into a little studio so I went

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out there and and got to hang out with

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them for you know it covered about a

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month I suppose I was probably out there

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five six seven eight times had dinner

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with him a couple of nights and he's a

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really cool dude and it was just the two

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of us hanging out for hours and hours

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getting that studio set up and it was a

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really great experience and and I you

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know I think he's a cool guy and

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watching him go through that today at

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the age of 50 kind of puts things all in

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perspective and today you know I hadn't

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thought about that in a long time and

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that was probably 1990 right after

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Independence Day came out like right

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before men and black like right you know

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somewhere in there 1995 maybe 96 95 Will

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Smith today is 50 years old mark hamill

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today that's right Luke is 67 and

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Michael Douglas

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today is 74 our dead guys birthday

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Christopher Reeve 1952 to 2004 died at

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the age of 52 star

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of course Superman in 1978 and then was

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tragically paralyzed in a 1995 horse

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riding accident and then passed away in

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2004 on this day in history 2005 two

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months after announcing its intention to

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disarm the Irish Republican Army the IRA

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gives up its weapons in front of

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independent weapons inspectors I was a

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crazy day back in 2005 Fader fact are

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you ready for this I know you've thought

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about this but you probably didn't know

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it was actually a fact in 2013 Chinese

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scientists were able to grow a human

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tooth from scratch using stem cells

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taken from wait for it urine and that is

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your favor fact yeah yep they said it

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couldn't be done

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it can be you can regrow teeth Jenna hi

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John Green models here tomorrow night

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Julia Moss bridge is going to join us

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we're gonna talk some time travel and

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her new book that premonition code

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Thursday night Dean Radin is going to be

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here we're all looking forward to that

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four nights four shows four amazing

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guests right here on fade to black

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now I want to talk about Japan Airlines

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because out of all of UFO history and

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we've got of course we've got the things

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that we talk about know about Roswell

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Rendlesham right these are incident

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Kecksburg right these are incidents that

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we know about we talk about but Japan

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Airlines flight 1628 and that UFO

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encounter is just insane

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it's it's insane now it occurred in

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November on November 17th back in 1986

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okay 22 years ago involving a Japanese

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Boeing 747-200 F cargo aircraft the

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aircraft was in route from Paris to

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Narita International Airport near Tokyo

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with a cargo of wine now on the Reich

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evict to Anchorage section of the flight

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over Eastern Alaska the crew first

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witnessed two unidentified objects to

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their left these abruptly rose from

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below and closed in and started to

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escort the 747 what transpired after

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this and still to this day I have never

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forgotten the eyewitness testimony and

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everything that was presented about this

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case but it got nuts

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each of these UFOs that popped up had

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two rectangular arrays of what appeared

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to be as described glowing nozzles or

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thrusters right there bodies remained

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obscured they couldn't really see it

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because it was dark outside

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when closest the aircraft's cabin was

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lit up yes and the captain sitting on

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the left could feel the heat on his face

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these two craft departed they split and

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then there was a third huge disc shaped

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object and again I'm gonna get to this

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in a second that because discs shape may

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not be that accurate and that started to

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trail them at that point Anchorage

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air-traffic control requested an

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oncoming United Airlines flight to

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confirm the unidentified traffic but

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when it and military craft arrived on

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the scene inside adjey a

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flight number 1628 they didn't see

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anything

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the siding itself lasted for 50 minutes

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and it ended in the vicinity of mount

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Denali the second craft the third craft

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this the third one that joined the two

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split was described as a walnut a giant

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wall mount when I say giant just listen

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to this at least the first two of the

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objects were observed by all three crew

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members that's captain ken tjuta Ruchi a

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next fighter pilot with more than 10,000

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hours of flight experience and he was in

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the cockpits left-handed seat like I

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said earlier copilot Takanori tama fuji

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he was in the right-hand seat and flight

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engineer

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Yoshio Tsukuba where the first objects

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disappeared captain Terauchi had noticed

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a pale band of light that mirrored their

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altitude speed and direction Anchorage

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found nothing on their radar but

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Elmendorf NORAD regional operations

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control center directly in his flight

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path reported a huge primary return and

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that is NORAD as the city lights of

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Fairbanks began to eliminate the object

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captain Terauchi believed to perceive

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the outline of a gigantic spaceship out

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of sport side that was twice the size of

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an aircraft carrier I'm quoting directly

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from captain Terauchi in december 1996

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captain Terauchi gave an interview to to

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kyoto japan news journalist japan

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airlines then grounded him for talking

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to the press and then ended up moving

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him to

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desk job years and years later he got to

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fly again for a little bit then he just

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retired but that's what happened he

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talked to the press and they immediately

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grounded him and and and made him a

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pencil pusher the Japan Airlines siding

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got tons of attention from the media I

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caught on to it we actually and if you

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think about this we actually had

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tracking of UFOs on both ground and

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airborne radar while being observed by

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experienced airline pilots and

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subsequent confirmation by an FAA

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division chief this was a very very very

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big deal but it didn't end there because

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three months later in January 1987

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Alaska Airlines flight 53 observed a

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fast-moving object on their on board

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weather radar while at 35,000 feet on a

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flight from Nome to Anchorage the radar

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registered a strong target in their 12

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o'clock position at 25 miles and then on

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the very next day on January 30th the US

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Air Force kc-135 jet flying from

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Anchorage to Fairbanks once again

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observed a very large disc-shaped object

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right the pilot reported that the object

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was just 40 feet from the aircraft then

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the object has appeared from sight so

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what was going on in the skies above

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Alaska for those three months we've got

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it all with these cases we've got not

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only I mean the official of official

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reports from the military you know the

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Air Force the FAA right we've got

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civilian reports we've got the

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direct testimony we've got radar tapes

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we've got radar tapes from the air and

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the ground we've got eyewitnesses from

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the very seasoned flight crew not only

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from Japan Airlines but also from our

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own air force right we've got everything

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I that is needed for this case but what

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happened to the evidence the case itself

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when it hit and the interviews with

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Captain Terauchi in his description in

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his drawings and an FAA division chief I

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believe his name was John Calhoun we'll

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talk to a Greenwald about that in just a

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minute here who he had the radar tapes

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and all of this was reviewed by the Navy

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and an admiral and and they're looking

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at the interviews that were presented

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and the debriefing that was done by the

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by the pilots you know and and they knew

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that they had something here and they

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had to squash it and then the paperwork

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disappears now the amount of paperwork

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as it turns out we're gonna talk to John

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turned out to be a mountain but that's

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not what we were told originally and

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even that gets a little bit funky so

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what do you do when he try to squash a

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case well you know especially like this

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and we never really officially heard

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from the kc-135 pilot nope no Alaska

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Airlines flight 53 no Japan Airlines

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captain Terauchi

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what happened there desk job grounded

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disappeared

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retired tonight we're gonna discuss one

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of the most important cases in all of

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ufology the Japan Airlines UFO encounter

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is huge and tonight

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the evidence is now out Greenwald has

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got it and has released it after so many

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years of looking for it and also tonight

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with John Greenwald a tip I'm not even

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gonna say what a tip is because I don't

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know we've been looking for

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or Freedom of Information Act documents

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on it in any form one has been released

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John Greenwald has just published it

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we're gonna talk about that and how he

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got to it and including the Japan

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Airlines documents too as well and

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that's how diligent John Greenwald is

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with the black vault and with that I'm

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gonna get out of here it's gonna be an

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amazing night tonight so just get

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comfortable get ready and let's get all

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of this just out in the open it needs to

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be there I look I know that Twitter I

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can't get out of here without saying

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this I know that Twitter I reached out

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and made it pretty public about bringing

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on Tom DeLonge or Louis Elizondo onto

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the show tonight

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open invitation publicly just to let

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them know right okay and I'm not gonna

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say anything further than that but I did

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get a response back from to the stars

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and from Tom and now is not the time but

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other than that I am NOT gonna say

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anything more the relationship between

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to the stars and and fade to black is is

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is fine I know that everybody out there

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wants to create some story and some

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drama that that doesn't exist okay all

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right all right I'm gonna get out of

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here

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John Greenwald's up next this is fade to

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black I am your host Jimmy Church you

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can certainly reach out to me Jimmy at

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Jimmy Church radio.com via email Twitter

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is at J Church radio hashtag F to B is

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the sandbox and now John Greenwald on

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Twitter is at black vault comm go make

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sense out of that I'll be right back

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with our guest John Greenwald stay with

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me

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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Greenwald is here that's right

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here Thursday Dean Radin right

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guests tonight it is John Greenwald

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we're gonna discuss the JKL 1628 Japan

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00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,030
Airlines UFO encounter and the recent

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recent revelations on a tip is it

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aviation or aerospace you know try to

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figure that out tonight job began

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researching the secret inner workings of

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the US government 1986 at the tender

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young age of 15 targeted such groups as

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the CIA the FBI Pentagon Air Force Army

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00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:05,710
Navy NSA dia countless others Greenwald

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utilized the Freedom of Information Act

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to gain access to thousands of Records

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he accumulated an astonishing number of

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documents on topics related to UFOs the

636
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:17,950
JFK assassination chemical biological

637
00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:20,800
and nuclear weapons and top-secret

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00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:22,869
aircraft he eventually named this

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archive the black vault that's right his

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teenage project turned into the largest

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private online collection anywhere in

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the world with millions of pages of

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00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:36,339
material the age of 21 he published his

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00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:39,730
first book beyond UFO secrecy and then

645
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it was later put into a second expanded

646
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edition back in 2002 and was republished

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by galled press in January 2008 the

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website of course is the black vault

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comm I would like to welcome back to

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fade to black the one and only the very

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young and tender

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John Greenwald John how are you man I'm

653
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,440
good man it's good to be back thanks for

654
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:04,390
having me you put us through a scare

655
00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:06,730
this weekend so I'm just gonna tell

656
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everybody that on Saturday I'm driving

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00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:13,930
over to coast-to-coast to host and the

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announcement came over the emergency

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broadcast system here in Southern

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California that your neighborhood was on

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00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:22,440
fire not that

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00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:24,630
to disclose exactly or what or where

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00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:27,450
that's up to you but but I called you

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and and you were safe and sound but it

665
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,000
was pretty close to you wasn't it

666
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:36,180
uh not as close as the one last year but

667
00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:37,980
yeah I appreciate that it's you know

668
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,869
it's the beautiful Southern California

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00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:42,060
City named Cass steaks we've got two

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00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:45,359
lakes up here and it's it's it's a

671
00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:47,609
beautiful place but sadly we learned we

672
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:50,359
just moved up here last February of 2017

673
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:53,220
it's a pretty high fire area so last

674
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,099
year was a bigger scare this one not so

675
00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:58,680
much but definitely air quality was an

676
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,630
issue but hey we're still here fires out

677
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:03,119
and we look forward to the next one yeah

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00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:05,130
you know that's just the way it plays

679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:08,490
out here and as crazy as it may sound to

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00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:10,770
the rest of the country it's where we

681
00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:13,530
live this is it's hot it's dry it's yeah

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00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,589
desert it just so happens that we you

683
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:18,720
know planted palm trees and grass here

684
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:21,900
but it's a desert that's it yeah it

685
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,410
really is

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00:37:25,819 --> 00:37:24,000
yeah and you know what I will say one

687
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,829
thing about the the city of Castaic when

688
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:28,079
we moved up here it still considered Los

689
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,060
Angeles it's like the farthest reaches

690
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:32,490
of LA County that you can get and I

691
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:35,400
literally have deer coming into my

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00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,609
driveway near our cars that's now in Los

693
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,500
Angeles that's like are you kidding all

694
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,359
right it's unheard of and so there's

695
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:44,520
trade-offs yes it's a high fire area but

696
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,710
man you just see some really cool

697
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:48,900
beautiful stuff yeah you do you do and

698
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,270
last year you know it happened to us

699
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,640
right here in Burbank when you know woke

700
00:37:56,780 --> 00:37:55,200
up in the morning and my daughter comes

701
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,790
in and she goes you know and I was like

702
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:58,920
what I thought this is what I thought

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00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:02,880
because I could smell it I thought why

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00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:04,980
would somebody be burning wood in their

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fireplace in the middle of the summer

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00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,630
that's what I was thinking and so I just

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00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,280
kind of you know but I didn't walk to

708
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the front of the house I was out back

709
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and I didn't see it my daughter goes you

710
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:16,589
got to come out front I walked out front

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00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,550
it was like oh oh oh we got we got some

712
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:22,740
issues here I mean that would have death

713
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:26,270
the sky goes from a beautiful blue to a

714
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,250
really scary orange in a matter of

715
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,520
minutes and that's how you know oh

716
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,900
something's come has he plowed to make

717
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:35,880
sure it's not in our backyard yeah

718
00:38:39,499 --> 00:38:37,529
you know it's it's a scare it's a scary

719
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,509
time you know and when you see that sky

720
00:38:43,549 --> 00:38:41,339
turned to yellow and that definitely

721
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,559
happened this weekend yeah you you

722
00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:45,839
immediately do those things you start to

723
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:49,339
okay what do we grab in just in case the

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00:38:59,299 --> 00:38:53,910
evacuation streets were one block to our

725
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,309
south and like four blocks to the to the

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00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,740
east right right there right there and

727
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:04,200
and we were just in this one little

728
00:39:08,359 --> 00:39:06,119
pocket but everything else was getting

729
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,369
evacuated and you start to think to

730
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:10,440
yourself okay dogs check check check

731
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:13,230
okay they go first right of course Reid

732
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:16,890
and I and and our daughter yes but where

733
00:39:21,499 --> 00:39:18,990
do we go from there you know what yeah

734
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,509
what else do we take with us but yeah it

735
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:24,000
was a very very trippy thing to go

736
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:26,250
through but anyway you're safe all right

737
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:28,200
that's all that matters that's all that

738
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:28,619
matters

739
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:33,119
and now the the Japan Airlines I want to

740
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,440
get straight to it because we've got a

741
00:39:42,799 --> 00:39:37,440
lot to discuss tonight and yeah out of

742
00:39:45,799 --> 00:39:42,809
all of UFO history we've got five six

743
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:45,809
seven maybe eight nine ten cases that we

744
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:47,730
can look at the documentation and the

745
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,190
eyewitnesses and and the government and

746
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:53,099
civilian side of things with that rate

747
00:39:58,759 --> 00:39:55,650
right up there right right up there

748
00:40:01,339 --> 00:39:58,769
Japan Airlines is is right up there with

749
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:01,349
any other case that that we can mention

750
00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:05,220
and it it broke it broke big into the

751
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:08,789
media and I set it up in the opening of

752
00:40:13,789 --> 00:40:12,119
the show tonight but for you you know

753
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:13,799
and running the black vault we're gonna

754
00:40:18,319 --> 00:40:16,410
get to the documents in a second but for

755
00:40:21,730 --> 00:40:18,329
you when you look at everything that we

756
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:21,740
have concerning the Japan Airlines

757
00:40:28,279 --> 00:40:25,140
encounter how does that case rate with

758
00:40:31,249 --> 00:40:28,289
you with all of the other encounters out

759
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:31,259
there when when you have commercial

760
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:34,140
airline and military pilots you know

761
00:40:39,289 --> 00:40:36,930
pilots for me are fascinating just

762
00:40:41,299 --> 00:40:39,299
simply because these are you know guys

763
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:41,309
and gals that know exactly what's what's

764
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:43,650
in the sky how they fly and how they

765
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:45,930
operate so they have they have a

766
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:48,900
background to readily identify a

767
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:50,550
you know whether it be a fellow

768
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,130
commercial jet airliner or another

769
00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:55,020
military aircraft of course they're not

770
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:56,550
going to be versed on a hundred percent

771
00:41:01,070 --> 00:40:58,710
of what's flying in the sky but they are

772
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:01,080
definitely better qualified than myself

773
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:03,360
if they're flying at you know thirty

774
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:05,670
thousand feet to understand what might

775
00:41:10,850 --> 00:41:08,940
be seen outside their window flight 1628

776
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:10,860
is something that's been around the UFO

777
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:14,460
field you know longer than that then

778
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:16,770
I've been in it it was something that's

779
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:18,810
been very well known and and something

780
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,370
that has been written about it in many

781
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:24,000
books and when I learned about this very

782
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,030
early on in my research when I started

783
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,180
like you pointed out I started back in

784
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:32,160
1996 and I was 15 years old and of

785
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:34,710
course 16 28 is is one of those you know

786
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:39,150
more well-known UFO cases and it was

787
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,920
always something that stuck out in my in

788
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:42,960
my head as something like hey you know

789
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:44,850
there's something to this when a pilot

790
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:47,070
sees something that's not something that

791
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:50,130
you can just kind of explain away as far

792
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:51,540
you know a farmer in the middle of

793
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:55,470
Kansas oh we lost John are you there

794
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:56,130
John

795
00:42:00,380 --> 00:41:58,380
yeah I'm still here yeah we lost you

796
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,390
okay a farmer in the middle of Kansas

797
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:02,910
and then you went silence yeah oh no I'm

798
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,490
still here so yeah the you know if

799
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:06,960
there's a difference between a pilot

800
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,470
sighting and you know again somebody on

801
00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:11,760
the ground that might be seeing

802
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:14,070
something that's easily explainable so

803
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:15,990
when I filed a Freedom of Information

804
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:20,070
Act request to the FAA this was back in

805
00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:25,170
2001 17 years ago that I tried to get

806
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:30,120
documents on flight 1628 and this is one

807
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:33,390
of the most bizarre FOIA cases and I've

808
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:38,160
done now about 9,000 requests in 22

809
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:40,110
years now those are those are original

810
00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:42,270
requests those are not follow-up letters

811
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:43,860
so when you add in all the follow-up

812
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:48,380
letters there is an insane amount of

813
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:52,560
correspondence and so when I went after

814
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:56,220
this and in 2001 I was told by the FAA

815
00:43:02,520 --> 00:42:59,640
that they considered me a commercial

816
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,530
requester now under the

817
00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:04,000
Joya you fit into three different

818
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:07,350
categories commercial non-commercial and

819
00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:10,570
news media and at the time I was

820
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:12,280
non-commercial now I fit in the news

821
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,820
media

822
00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:14,560
but at the time non-commercial they

823
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:16,030
tried to put me in commercial and what

824
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:17,770
it really ultimately comes down to is

825
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:21,610
fees that you have to pay and when you

826
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:26,410
pay these these fees it's determined by

827
00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:30,610
the category that you fit in so she told

828
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:35,020
me in this letter if you withdraw your

829
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:38,820
request because you're in a commercial

830
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:42,360
category if you withdraw your request

831
00:43:48,980 --> 00:43:45,250
then we will go ahead and give you a

832
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:48,990
hundred and seven pages for free

833
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:51,190
you're still there right I'm Liz I'm

834
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:53,020
reading the dollar I'm in I'm blown away

835
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:55,420
making sure I didn't get let's make it

836
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:58,030
try and get this connected so so they

837
00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:59,410
said if you would draw your request

838
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:01,180
we'll give you these hundred and seven

839
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:02,890
pages for free now I can tell you out of

840
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:06,430
the nine thousand requests that I've

841
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:09,730
done never I do not have a single case

842
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:12,130
that I can cite where they said if you

843
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:14,830
withdraw your request because we'll

844
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:17,350
charge you money withdraw we'll give it

845
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:19,120
to you for free that's there's no

846
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,950
procedure for that that's not part of

847
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:23,440
the law that is not standard nobody does

848
00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:23,860
that

849
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,870
so I received this letter and I thought

850
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:27,280
okay well they're considering me a

851
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:28,900
commercial requester do I fight it

852
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:30,250
they're telling me they'll give it to me

853
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:32,590
for free hundred and seven pages so I

854
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:34,300
chose not to fight it why fight it just

855
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:35,710
withdraw the request to get it for free

856
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:38,140
no let's don't let me stop you right

857
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:38,440
there

858
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:41,740
sure one hundred and seven pages is all

859
00:44:46,380 --> 00:44:45,160
that was discussed and that is a very

860
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:46,390
important thing that we're going to

861
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:49,120
discuss later on tonight had you heard

862
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:51,580
anything beyond about anything

863
00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:54,100
additional page you know one hundred and

864
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:57,100
eight hundred nine hundred and ten no it

865
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:00,760
was always I now have that letter but

866
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:02,920
they said that there was a total and

867
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:04,570
what I request just to very quickly say

868
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:07,120
my request for it was for all documents

869
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,120
on flight 1628 now when I request

870
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:12,160
something that's fairly specific like

871
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:14,210
that I go for the whole gamut I want

872
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:16,790
I want letters I want reports I want

873
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:19,220
everything that they have created about

874
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:20,990
this now in some cases they'll come back

875
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:22,220
to you and say well that's too broad

876
00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:23,930
because that'll get you 50 million pages

877
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:26,060
so round it down and then I'll Whittle

878
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:28,850
it down but in something like this I

879
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:30,260
went for the whole you know the whole

880
00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:32,990
kit and caboodle and requesting the

881
00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:35,180
whole kid caboodle yielded me a hundred

882
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:39,340
and seven pages according to the FAA and

883
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:41,330
according to them and this comes from

884
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:43,370
the headquarters it was a letter dated

885
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:46,730
June 27 2001 I've got it all in writing

886
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:49,310
with sign you know signed statements and

887
00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:51,530
and FOIA case numbers they said that

888
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:53,060
there was only a hundred and seven pages

889
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:55,610
that came up as a response my request

890
00:46:00,460 --> 00:45:57,650
now and I'm reading here this is what's

891
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:00,470
really funny and I will forward the 107

892
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:03,650
pages to you on receipt of your

893
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:08,000
withdrawal and that doesn't that doesn't

894
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:09,350
and I'm telling you I'm gonna stress

895
00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:11,660
this again and I know I'm repeating

896
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:13,640
myself but 9,000 cases I don't have a

897
00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:14,810
sink case where they've ever done that

898
00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:16,550
before right I have had it where they've

899
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:17,780
tried to say hey your commercial

900
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:19,850
requester you need to pay you know for

901
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:21,950
every single page and search fees and

902
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:24,680
search fees can range anywhere from 35

903
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:28,130
to literally 85 to 125 dollars an hour

904
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:31,460
and and you know for the government we

905
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:33,290
know they're not speedy so you're paying

906
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:35,540
some sloth to you know try and find

907
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:37,370
records and so a hundred hours later

908
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:40,730
you're broke so being in a commercial

909
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:44,720
category is very very very bad some

910
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:46,940
people fit in that category I do not and

911
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:50,210
so I chose not to fight it on this one

912
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:52,760
but I don't have any other cases where

913
00:46:57,010 --> 00:46:55,790
they said withdraw your request and

914
00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:57,020
we'll go ahead and give them to you it

915
00:47:01,540 --> 00:46:59,030
just it's it's unheard of that's what

916
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:01,550
they did on this this one and and for

917
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:06,200
her to say that if we don't as of you

918
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:08,120
know as of this date Baba buff we don't

919
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:11,390
get your withdrawal all documents

920
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:14,570
pertaining to this UFO sighting will be

921
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:17,900
destroyed in 30 days from the date of

922
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:20,030
this letter now that sounds a little

923
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:23,690
funky to me - that is beyond funky and

924
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:27,980
again no procedure no manual no law

925
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:31,430
no amendment no nothing ever justifies

926
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,050
the destruction of a responsive record

927
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:37,520
now there are what's called records

928
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:39,400
retention schedules this is important

929
00:47:45,310 --> 00:47:42,230
records retentions record retention

930
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:45,320
schedules exist for every agency and in

931
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:47,210
short what those are is they they

932
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,910
stipulate how long a government agency

933
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:52,400
will keep records so you know some

934
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:54,740
records are ultimately destroyed after a

935
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,730
certain amount of time

936
00:47:59,710 --> 00:47:57,440
others are transferred to the National

937
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,720
Archives and so on every agency is

938
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:02,480
different that is a completely different

939
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:03,500
ballpark

940
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:05,750
other than this letter and this letter

941
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:09,380
says the 107 pages now that you've

942
00:48:14,410 --> 00:48:11,540
requested them now we've put a bomb on

943
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:14,420
them that that's 30 days and Counting so

944
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:15,950
if you don't respond we're just going to

945
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:19,670
destroy them all again 9,000 cases never

946
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:22,850
have a single example of that ever

947
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:25,609
happening and yet this particular case

948
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:28,820
they wanted to destroy those 107 pages

949
00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:31,850
that's there's no way that my request

950
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,480
hit them around a 30-day window of their

951
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:37,280
records retention schedule stating that

952
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:38,630
they were going to destroy these things

953
00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:40,520
know the odds of that or

954
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:43,820
one-in-a-billion there's no way yet they

955
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:46,820
said if you don't respond they're gone

956
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:49,250
you know so tell me you responded right

957
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:52,280
you responded absolutely and so I went

958
00:48:57,609 --> 00:48:54,500
through the request I did it via email

959
00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:57,619
now the letters said an email I know I

960
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,520
sent that email I have it in my own

961
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:03,920
record-keeping and was sent the email

962
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:06,050
now I will say I would love to show a

963
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:09,020
screenshot of it this was 17 years ago

964
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,150
so things are a little bit different not

965
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,520
in technology front and that was a few

966
00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:16,160
quite a few computers ago and sadly that

967
00:49:21,609 --> 00:49:18,350
particular one had a hard drive crash

968
00:49:23,609 --> 00:49:21,619
but you know I mean it is what it is I

969
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:23,619
sent the the withdraw there's there's no

970
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:26,510
in my mind there's no argument I know I

971
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:28,609
sent it to this particular lady at the

972
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:31,010
FAA so I would through the request but I

973
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:32,690
didn't hear anything back for awhile and

974
00:49:36,580 --> 00:49:34,430
so I followed up with her and said hey

975
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:36,590
you know I'm just trying to follow up

976
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:37,820
and see when I'm going to get those

977
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,020
documents because I went through the

978
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:41,280
request this is why

979
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:43,770
this is not part of a standard procedure

980
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,170
when you withdraw a request the moment

981
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:48,480
you you withdraw a FOIA request you have

982
00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:52,260
no legal standing anymore to ask for

983
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:55,080
anything the FOIA gives you a legal

984
00:49:58,460 --> 00:49:57,270
standing to fight for records okay

985
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:58,470
there's a lot of rules that go along

986
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,180
with that but you can at least put up a

987
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:02,940
legal battle and you have some kind of

988
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,400
foothold into the door of whatever

989
00:50:10,310 --> 00:50:08,160
agency to access records right the

990
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:10,320
moment you step out of FOIA which is

991
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:12,990
what they required me to do I have no

992
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:16,500
rights in essence I can't appeal I can't

993
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:20,360
ask for a status technically and

994
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:22,590
although I did write her and say hey

995
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:24,180
what you know what's going on you told

996
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,190
me if I went through the request they

997
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,380
claimed that they did not hear from me

998
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:30,960
and so they destroyed all of the records

999
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:34,470
and I mean I was pretty shocked at that

1000
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:37,410
point just simply because I know for a

1001
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:41,400
fact I sent that email and again this is

1002
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:43,770
a very unorthodox way that it all

1003
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,620
unfolded but now we were beyond the

1004
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:48,780
30-day window and I did the follow-up of

1005
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,120
course in retrospect looking back I

1006
00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:52,920
would have done this a lot differently

1007
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:55,620
but again this was this was something

1008
00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:58,050
that I just didn't think would go down

1009
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:01,050
the way that it went down and she said

1010
00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:04,350
that everything was destroyed and that I

1011
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:06,270
was out of luck and that was in a tow

1012
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,680
and that was in 2009 no no no this was

1013
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:12,780
still 2001 when I followed out ok so

1014
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:15,780
fast forward we passed for you to die

1015
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,300
yeah I didn't wait 8 years to follow up

1016
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:21,300
although I you know I have records of 14

1017
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:23,790
and a half years of waiting for FOIA

1018
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:27,780
requests but I did I did wait you know a

1019
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:30,570
couple months to just to follow up in

1020
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:33,750
2001 now 2009 I filed again and the

1021
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:36,510
reason was because what I've learned is

1022
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:39,330
sometimes as record-keeping technology

1023
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:41,190
changes and they make changes within

1024
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:44,430
agencies and personnel changes you get

1025
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:46,920
one answer in 2001 you get a different

1026
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,010
one in 2009 right so I had refiled eight

1027
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:52,680
years later in the hopes that maybe they

1028
00:51:57,330 --> 00:51:54,730
found other copies or

1029
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,340
discovered something or I'll be honest

1030
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,720
with you maybe this person wasn't

1031
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:00,160
working there anymore and then I would

1032
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:02,290
get somebody that actually a little

1033
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:03,940
harder and found them right now right

1034
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:07,390
right so so that's what I did and 2009

1035
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:09,430
was another confirmation that all of

1036
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:11,890
those documents were destroyed yep I'm

1037
00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:13,450
looking and I'm looking at the letter

1038
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:16,420
here and says right here the records you

1039
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,330
requested were destroyed in accordance

1040
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:21,280
of blah blah blah blah blah but yeah

1041
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:23,140
it's right it's very clear and that's

1042
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:28,330
August 26th 2009 enough correct and here

1043
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:31,290
you are today I'm fade to black right

1044
00:52:37,099 --> 00:52:35,920
2018 yeah okay yeah okay so what

1045
00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:37,109
happened next

1046
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:43,240
said fast forward 17 years after my

1047
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:46,540
initial request I'm going through you

1048
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:48,730
know some some archives and indexes of

1049
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:50,830
the National Archives and by mistake

1050
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:54,090
find a file folder that talked about a

1051
00:53:01,560 --> 00:52:59,220
1986 UFO incident with Japanese Airlines

1052
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:01,570
well if you've been around UFOs enough

1053
00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:05,470
that's kind of only one case but help me

1054
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,240
help me out here I don't want to

1055
00:53:10,859 --> 00:53:09,280
interrupt but I have to know when you

1056
00:53:14,099 --> 00:53:10,869
say that you're going through the

1057
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:14,109
National Archives and you find a folder

1058
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:16,450
is this on a computer or are you

1059
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:18,670
physically at the National Archives and

1060
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:21,010
at a file cabinet what do you mean by

1061
00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:23,980
that so this is a digitized collection

1062
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:27,430
and it's one of the many many government

1063
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:29,380
databases that are out there that I you

1064
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,530
know geek out and trying to access and

1065
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,720
they're very difficult to use but but in

1066
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:36,880
this particular case it was digital and

1067
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:40,210
so these file folders were eventually

1068
00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:44,980
digitized by a National Archives

1069
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:48,430
personnel and they just I don't know if

1070
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,190
there's if there's a in order that they

1071
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:53,680
scan things in if it's random if it's by

1072
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,530
request nobody's ever talked about these

1073
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:59,200
specific records that I've heard of now

1074
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:00,430
some of these records had been out

1075
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:02,440
before obviously they had been requested

1076
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,690
before and I'll get into the bigger

1077
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:06,400
history in a minute but it'll be a

1078
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:08,170
little confusing if I do it now

1079
00:54:12,569 --> 00:54:09,940
but but that's what I mean this was a

1080
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:12,579
digital discovery when I found

1081
00:54:17,579 --> 00:54:15,190
references to file folders but so when

1082
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:17,589
it's digitized the file folders at the

1083
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:18,970
National Archives they're given arc

1084
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:21,400
identifier numbers and then there or

1085
00:54:26,609 --> 00:54:23,980
Nara identifier numbers and then they're

1086
00:54:28,349 --> 00:54:26,619
they're titled by the folders or

1087
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:28,359
envelopes that they're discovered in

1088
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:31,450
within the National Archives and so you

1089
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:33,910
can randomly find just really amazing

1090
00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:36,910
things that from from history I mean it

1091
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:39,329
it really is something that that is a

1092
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:41,410
experience if you love history or

1093
00:54:45,809 --> 00:54:43,569
anybody that's that is listening loves

1094
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:45,819
history I highly recommend either do it

1095
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:47,770
on a digital level and just kind of

1096
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:48,760
search through some of these databases

1097
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:51,910
more so go and some through the physical

1098
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:53,650
archives it's something that I've done

1099
00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:56,290
quite a few times and in fact my very

1100
00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:58,180
first experience is that the the

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00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:00,700
National Archives in DC and I was there

1102
00:55:04,859 --> 00:55:02,710
with my good friend Stanton Friedman and

1103
00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:04,869
to sit next to these Stanton Friedman

1104
00:55:08,849 --> 00:55:07,240
within the National Archives and going

1105
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:08,859
through physical pieces of paper was an

1106
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,630
experience that I'll I'll definitely

1107
00:55:15,059 --> 00:55:13,119
never forget but it going back to your

1108
00:55:18,809 --> 00:55:15,069
question so this this particular

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00:55:21,329 --> 00:55:18,819
collection was digitized in a massive

1110
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:21,339
amount of information not just UFOs mean

1111
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:24,010
all sorts of stuff I just got lucky and

1112
00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:25,900
stumbled on some of the digital

1113
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:28,839
references to these file folders so

1114
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:30,940
that's when I started to dig a little

1115
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,710
bit at the moment I saw Japanese

1116
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:35,680
Airlines I thought this this can this

1117
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:37,710
can't be because they've been destroyed

1118
00:55:44,819 --> 00:55:40,690
but but on top of that they came from an

1119
00:55:46,799 --> 00:55:44,829
FAA titled record group so everything

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00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:46,809
within the National Archives is all

1121
00:55:51,569 --> 00:55:49,240
sorted in this massive collection of

1122
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:51,579
record groups and then you drill down in

1123
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:53,410
the records group and most of them are

1124
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:56,410
per agency so the FAA has a massive

1125
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:58,450
record group and then you drill down in

1126
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,890
that record group and then it kind of

1127
00:56:05,579 --> 00:56:02,079
you know branches off and all these

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00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:05,589
other different sections and so on one

1129
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:07,960
was from from the Alaska region okay let

1130
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:09,369
me jump in real quick we got to hit a

1131
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:12,490
break Energon the original number was a

1132
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:14,950
hundred and seven pages that they

1133
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:17,650
referenced to you that were

1134
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:21,950
destroyed in his folder how many pages

1135
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,329
did you find over 1500 and it wasn't

1136
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:27,920
just a one folder I got lucky finding

1137
00:56:35,530 --> 00:56:30,049
the one I dug quite a bit more and found

1138
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:35,540
there a 41 total envelope / folders and

1139
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:38,089
then digging within those 41 groups

1140
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:42,049
there was over 1,500 pages all relating

1141
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:44,990
to the UFO sighting on 1628 that's the

1142
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:49,210
Holy Grail now what are the odds of that

1143
00:56:52,990 --> 00:56:51,770
Ken and and well you don't have to

1144
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:53,000
answer that question I've got to head

1145
00:56:58,750 --> 00:56:55,880
towards a break but can anybody go into

1146
00:57:02,049 --> 00:56:58,760
the National Archives do you need some

1147
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:02,059
kind of clearance or can anybody sign in

1148
00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:05,150
and go and poke around no you do have to

1149
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:07,309
sign up but but there's no like

1150
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,930
prerequisite I mean you just go in with

1151
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:10,640
a valid ID and sign up when you're

1152
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:13,130
physically there you go in and and sign

1153
00:57:17,859 --> 00:57:15,260
in you got a cool little magic card that

1154
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:17,869
gets you access you gotta wear gloves in

1155
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:19,790
many cases when you access the original

1156
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,530
records and that's what's very cool

1157
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:23,119
about it is you're you're accessing the

1158
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:26,540
the real physical documents in most

1159
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:28,250
cases and what are you pulling these

1160
00:57:34,349 --> 00:57:30,500
right well and what about the the

1161
00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:34,359
digital archive who can access that

1162
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:36,920
depends on the digital archive some you

1163
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:39,470
can just log on right now others you

1164
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,049
need to be on a certain computer and

1165
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:44,480
access it from certain libraries or

1166
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:47,510
approved places so it's PI IP address

1167
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:48,170
right

1168
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:50,420
it's a thoroughly confusing it really is

1169
00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:53,000
because the different databases require

1170
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:56,180
you to be in different areas again it's

1171
00:58:00,039 --> 00:57:57,410
not because it's classified

1172
00:58:02,859 --> 00:58:00,049
it's just sadly they do limit access to

1173
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:02,869
some databases but not all so you can

1174
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:05,089
actually go on the the National Archives

1175
00:58:09,609 --> 00:58:07,609
website now and you can start sifting

1176
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through you know government documents

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:11,420
and you know pick some keywords and

1178
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:12,770
start going through and see what you

1179
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:14,390
find and there's an amazing collection

1180
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,030
that's incredible let's take a break

1181
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:23,359
right here we'll come back we'll start

1182
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:24,890
going through these documents and what

1183
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:27,230
happened next it is one of the most

1184
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:30,250
important cases in all of UFO history

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John seriously men it's like you backed

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right over it and it's just yeah good

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for you

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John Greenwald the black vault is here

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the loan a tip document that he happened

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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Merrill Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1289
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John Greenwald of the black vault we're

1290
01:03:39,550 --> 01:03:34,970
discussing the Japan Airlines jl flight

1291
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:39,560
1628 UFO encounter and the document

1292
01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:42,410
treasure trove that he discovered in the

1293
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National Archives quite by chance and

1294
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you know John it's called synchronicity

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man that's the universe that's the

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electric universe working in your favor

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right there this was meant to happen

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17 years man it is the hero's journey

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well it was unexpected I'll give it that

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and I I was pleased to find them and

1301
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also equally pleased to see what was

1302
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inside the 41 folders of material that

1303
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was far beyond what I really expected

1304
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now I've posted up on Twitter everybody

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:21,620
you can head over to hashtag f2b or my

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Twitter feed at Jay Church radio the

1307
01:04:29,350 --> 01:04:25,190
links are right there to take you

1308
01:04:32,290 --> 01:04:29,360
straight to jl 1628 page on the black

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01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:32,300
vault where all of the documents pdfs

1310
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:36,710
are all right there and you can actually

1311
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download the entire set as a zip file

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too as well John you're so cool when it

1313
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:47,480
comes to this kind of stuff that is wait

1314
01:04:51,580 --> 01:04:48,950
you know what I was gonna say that

1315
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:51,590
earlier you poking around in the

1316
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:53,450
National Archives digitally in two

1317
01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:55,400
folders and finding something like this

1318
01:05:00,550 --> 01:04:57,950
is the ultimate geeky thing to even

1319
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:00,560
admit to I mean that is I'll take it

1320
01:05:05,980 --> 01:05:03,500
this straight keek I just get Dubois now

1321
01:05:09,790 --> 01:05:05,990
but I love it and I live for stuff like

1322
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that because again I just see and you

1323
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:12,470
said it 17 years imagine that long and I

1324
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:13,970
and I've talked about this a lot in

1325
01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:16,130
public you know speeches that I give and

1326
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:18,860
I love it in interviews I don't know if

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01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:20,390
I brought it up on on fade to black

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before but but probably you know in the

1329
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past however many years we've known each

1330
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other and so it when you're when you're

1331
01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:28,340
so used to telling a story a certain way

1332
01:05:33,070 --> 01:05:30,200
that hey these documents are gone

1333
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:33,080
they're lost they're destroyed and it

1334
01:05:36,510 --> 01:05:34,910
and it kills me inside just because I

1335
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love history so much whenever

1336
01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:39,460
I get word not only on flight 1628 but

1337
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:41,320
but I've received quite a few letters

1338
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:42,910
over the years of documents being

1339
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,130
destroyed it kills me inside to discover

1340
01:05:51,420 --> 01:05:47,200
after 17 years of being used to that

1341
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:51,430
story - just say poof here's 107 Plus

1342
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:54,430
about 1400 more you know that's it was a

1343
01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:56,770
pretty surreal discovery and I'm still

1344
01:06:01,830 --> 01:05:58,510
going through them - I mean you know

1345
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:01,840
this literally just happened days ago I

1346
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:04,210
mean I think it was Thursday when when I

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got everything digitized and uploaded

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01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:08,500
and her excuse me I uploaded and

1349
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:10,900
programmed into the site and you know

1350
01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:13,330
here we are just a few days later now I

1351
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:15,880
want to take the opportunity here just

1352
01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:18,040
to mention to our audience

1353
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:19,120
you know you've been producing

1354
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:21,190
television for a long time of course the

1355
01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:23,530
black vault you've you know written your

1356
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:26,940
book and stuff but just recently you've

1357
01:06:33,350 --> 01:06:30,490
decided to get into broadcasting and

1358
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:33,360
you've started your own little radio

1359
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:36,010
program and so where can everybody

1360
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:38,020
listen to that and when and where do you

1361
01:06:42,930 --> 01:06:40,570
do it yeah I appreciate that so I

1362
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:42,940
started the black balled radio I did it

1363
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:45,310
many years ago and in fact I've done

1364
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:46,690
quite a few different things in radio

1365
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,510
the late dr. Roger Leir who was a friend

1366
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,760
of mine for many many many years

1367
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:53,680
dr. Lehrer and I actually hosted a radio

1368
01:06:57,570 --> 01:06:55,480
show together for quite some time called

1369
01:07:00,030 --> 01:06:57,580
millennium mysteries and I actually

1370
01:07:01,770 --> 01:07:00,040
found a bunch of old interviews that we

1371
01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:01,780
did and this is probably going back

1372
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:05,320
gosh 1314 years maybe a little bit more

1373
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:07,510
I'm trying to figure out the dates but

1374
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:09,820
anyway so I've played around with radio

1375
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:12,550
for quite some time and then now I went

1376
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:13,870
ahead and took the plunge started

1377
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,050
producing some some audio shows where

1378
01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:18,400
people can download different different

1379
01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:20,950
interviews news headlines high-profile

1380
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:22,840
documents all the time and in different

1381
01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:24,670
segments so I tried to do something a

1382
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:25,600
little bit different than traditional

1383
01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:29,050
radio no clock so I don't adhere to you

1384
01:07:31,710 --> 01:07:30,700
know hey we got a commercial coming up

1385
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:31,720
not that there's anything wrong with

1386
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:33,550
that but I just did it a little bit

1387
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:35,230
different you can log on to the black

1388
01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:37,090
vault comm on the right hand side you'll

1389
01:07:41,790 --> 01:07:39,100
see all of the different episodes that

1390
01:07:44,010 --> 01:07:41,800
I've done so far there's probably about

1391
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:44,020
24 25 hours of content already to

1392
01:07:48,690 --> 01:07:46,810
download with a lot more comin so still

1393
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:48,700
fairly new but the feedback has been

1394
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:49,700
awesome so

1395
01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:51,980
I appreciate you bringing that up it's a

1396
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,320
lot of work to to do this kind of stuff

1397
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:56,960
and and anyway that you know I can help

1398
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,930
and let others know that you're doing

1399
01:08:04,570 --> 01:08:02,000
this you know that's what we do here you

1400
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:04,580
know it's it's just family man now let's

1401
01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:07,790
get to this document archive there is so

1402
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:11,030
much here you just stated that you're

1403
01:08:15,130 --> 01:08:12,890
still going through it which I can

1404
01:08:17,380 --> 01:08:15,140
appreciate you've only had your hands on

1405
01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:17,390
these for a few short days and breaking

1406
01:08:22,690 --> 01:08:18,710
the story here on fade to black I

1407
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:22,700
appreciate that but let's let's kind of

1408
01:08:27,850 --> 01:08:26,000
start at the top only because I can't

1409
01:08:30,190 --> 01:08:27,860
think of another way to do it but the

1410
01:08:33,730 --> 01:08:30,200
first document you have here is a

1411
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:33,740
statement of course for records NTIS and

1412
01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:36,710
content of package it's eight pages what

1413
01:08:41,350 --> 01:08:39,380
says document so here's kind of the

1414
01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:41,360
summary of what that means so NTIS is a

1415
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:43,300
national technical information center

1416
01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:47,390
and yes I know it says s but it referred

1417
01:08:53,260 --> 01:08:50,060
to NT IC or service national technical

1418
01:08:55,690 --> 01:08:53,270
information service and the the short of

1419
01:08:58,510 --> 01:08:55,700
it is they collect these technical

1420
01:09:01,420 --> 01:08:58,520
documents not only on UFOs but a massive

1421
01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:01,430
amount and the reason why NT is got

1422
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:03,500
involved was because after the FAA

1423
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:07,270
learned of flight 1628 s encounter and

1424
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:10,490
they did an investigation which by the

1425
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:13,210
way is a very important point in itself

1426
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,730
because again 1969 although we haven't

1427
01:09:20,830 --> 01:09:18,400
brought that up in this interview but

1428
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:20,840
1969 was supposed to be the government

1429
01:09:25,810 --> 01:09:23,750
and military's final year that they

1430
01:09:28,270 --> 01:09:25,820
cared about UFOs they heard about this

1431
01:09:30,250 --> 01:09:28,280
UFO encounter with flight 1628 they took

1432
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:30,260
it very very seriously and conducted a

1433
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:33,350
investigation the FAA they finished a

1434
01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:36,890
report and sent it to NCIS to then sell

1435
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:39,230
to the public and when anything goes

1436
01:09:43,630 --> 01:09:41,090
into NTIS it makes me cringe because

1437
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:43,640
they still to this day will will charge

1438
01:09:47,770 --> 01:09:46,190
you for information doesn't matter about

1439
01:09:49,930 --> 01:09:47,780
the FOIA at all the Freedom of

1440
01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:49,940
Information Act doesn't really apply so

1441
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:52,430
it could be a 50 page report and they'll

1442
01:09:56,290 --> 01:09:54,170
still charge you you know whatever their

1443
01:09:58,900 --> 01:09:56,300
fee schedule is now probably 20 cents a

1444
01:10:01,090 --> 01:09:58,910
page or whatever it is so you'll have to

1445
01:10:02,830 --> 01:10:01,100
pay for it so what they did after the

1446
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:02,840
FAA did this investigation

1447
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:05,150
to the public who funded the

1448
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:07,489
investigation they decided to sell it

1449
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:10,250
back to them and so some of these

1450
01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:12,230
records in the beginning including the

1451
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:15,500
the NTIS and content a package is some

1452
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:19,040
of the documents outlining what was what

1453
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:20,690
what it was that they were selling and

1454
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:25,090
the order form to actually order it and

1455
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:28,250
in that first PDF this is this actually

1456
01:10:32,410 --> 01:10:29,510
very interesting because you obviously

1457
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:32,420
don't have to to pay for it but but look

1458
01:10:40,209 --> 01:10:38,210
at what people did 190 for 30 cents it's

1459
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:40,219
incredible and it says order form for

1460
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:42,770
jaeil flight 1628 this is at the top of

1461
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:45,770
the page everybody it's like page four

1462
01:10:52,060 --> 01:10:49,460
or five unidentified traffic sighting

1463
01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:52,070
November eighteenth 1986 the event

1464
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:55,219
occurred on November 17 1986 and then it

1465
01:11:00,100 --> 01:10:57,590
says for 194 dollars and 30 cents you

1466
01:11:03,070 --> 01:11:00,110
get the complete package of all written

1467
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:03,080
records photographs plus all tape

1468
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:09,770
recordings not to jump forward but what

1469
01:11:16,450 --> 01:11:13,750
was interesting was in this 1500 pages

1470
01:11:19,149 --> 01:11:16,460
towards the end were file folders of

1471
01:11:21,729 --> 01:11:19,159
people that did pay it that sent in

1472
01:11:23,919 --> 01:11:21,739
their check and I'm curious I mean I

1473
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:23,929
haven't gone through all of the letters

1474
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:26,330
to add up but there were a lot of people

1475
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:28,310
that paid that amount of money to get

1476
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:30,530
this collection that's a lot of money

1477
01:11:33,939 --> 01:11:32,750
back then I mean this is you know one

1478
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:33,949
hundred ninety four dollars a lot of

1479
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:36,710
money in 2018 but this was in the late

1480
01:11:42,490 --> 01:11:39,650
1980s people were paying this to get the

1481
01:11:44,770 --> 01:11:42,500
documents what they got is broken down

1482
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:44,780
in this order form and so you kind of

1483
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:46,550
see you can actually pick and choose so

1484
01:11:51,070 --> 01:11:48,170
if you see here if you only wanted like

1485
01:11:53,770 --> 01:11:51,080
one particular report like one was $11

1486
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:53,780
another was ten another was 25 for the

1487
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:56,780
cassette some people may not even know

1488
01:12:00,280 --> 01:11:58,250
what a cassette is anymore but that's

1489
01:12:02,649 --> 01:12:00,290
what they were selling and a lot of

1490
01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:02,659
people wrote in well the FAA saved all

1491
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:04,420
of those letters and I got them all

1492
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,590
including the people's names and the

1493
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,440
handwritten letters and they they placed

1494
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,840
orders for it and that's a show in

1495
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:13,280
itself but whenever the government is

1496
01:12:16,899 --> 01:12:16,130
funded by taxpayer dollars and they

1497
01:12:18,669 --> 01:12:16,909
create a

1498
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:18,679
or of public interest because this was

1499
01:12:23,290 --> 01:12:20,570
obviously a public interest in the late

1500
01:12:25,629 --> 01:12:23,300
1980s and then they turn around and sell

1501
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:25,639
it back to me I have a very huge

1502
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:28,610
fundamental issue with that but you know

1503
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,070
again that's a different show but but

1504
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:33,199
that's what the beginning pages were

1505
01:12:37,330 --> 01:12:36,050
that kind of outlined hey if the general

1506
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:37,340
public wants this this is how much

1507
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:39,170
you're going to pay this is the broken

1508
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:42,409
down list of what you'll get if you want

1509
01:12:45,729 --> 01:12:44,090
a piecemeal it go ahead and check what

1510
01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:45,739
you want send a check for however much

1511
01:12:51,729 --> 01:12:47,870
the total is and will go ahead and send

1512
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:51,739
it to you i I don't know based on what

1513
01:12:59,229 --> 01:12:56,210
is on this form if it totaled 1,500

1514
01:13:02,830 --> 01:12:59,239
pages as of my interview with you

1515
01:13:04,510 --> 01:13:02,840
tonight I haven't found that on this

1516
01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:04,520
particular order form there there are

1517
01:13:10,930 --> 01:13:07,540
like five page 3 page 2 page right right

1518
01:13:12,970 --> 01:13:10,940
stipulation on that but I you know is

1519
01:13:15,879 --> 01:13:12,980
that really the page count of what they

1520
01:13:18,729 --> 01:13:15,889
got I'm not really sure but you can see

1521
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:18,739
it's definitely a far cry from you know

1522
01:13:24,580 --> 01:13:22,520
1500 pages even a thousand pages so what

1523
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:24,590
exactly you were getting I'm I'm not

1524
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,250
sure what for three dollars and five

1525
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:31,040
cents right I'm looking at it here a la

1526
01:13:36,490 --> 01:13:33,440
carte three dollars and five cents you

1527
01:13:38,979 --> 01:13:36,500
get the chronology of events five pages

1528
01:13:41,379 --> 01:13:38,989
you get a transcript this is where I

1529
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:41,389
would go for three bucks transcription

1530
01:13:48,580 --> 01:13:43,489
of communications between air traffic

1531
01:13:51,209 --> 01:13:48,590
control and 1628 flight path chart the

1532
01:13:54,220 --> 01:13:51,219
the transcription is 23 pages by the way

1533
01:13:56,379 --> 01:13:54,230
flight path one page personal statements

1534
01:13:59,860 --> 01:13:56,389
eight pages and then you also get the

1535
01:14:02,530 --> 01:13:59,870
FAA form daily record of facility

1536
01:14:05,140 --> 01:14:02,540
operations showing the time and watch

1537
01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:05,150
supervisors entries of all major items

1538
01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:07,190
in the flight activity log that's three

1539
01:14:13,689 --> 01:14:10,820
pages for my money that's the best $3.05

1540
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:13,699
you might spend in all of ufology that's

1541
01:14:19,209 --> 01:14:16,310
that's absolutely incredible what a

1542
01:14:22,930 --> 01:14:19,219
document and this wasn't even supposed

1543
01:14:24,370 --> 01:14:22,940
to exist right let's go to uh let's let

1544
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:24,380
me look at the clock here we've got so

1545
01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:27,150
much data to go through

1546
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:30,059
the next FAA aircraft incident board

1547
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:33,719
what would you like to open up next yeah

1548
01:14:39,049 --> 01:14:36,510
the most interesting part in this

1549
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:39,059
discovery and again some of these

1550
01:14:43,370 --> 01:14:40,650
documents are I'm not sure which ones

1551
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:43,380
were or which one weren't you know that

1552
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:46,050
it might be even impossible to tell you

1553
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:47,670
know how much these have circulated but

1554
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,110
I'll just got to give the rough overview

1555
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:51,360
of the more important parts the captain

1556
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:57,360
of flight 1628 he gave a long interview

1557
01:15:03,799 --> 01:15:01,440
with the FAA after the fact I included

1558
01:15:05,899 --> 01:15:03,809
with that was the first officer and even

1559
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:05,909
the flight engineer they all gave

1560
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:07,770
extensive interviews with the FAA

1561
01:15:13,939 --> 01:15:10,650
detailing their encounter what they saw

1562
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:13,949
and in this collection you can download

1563
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,190
the entire transcript of what he said

1564
01:15:21,529 --> 01:15:19,500
the captain also submitted although it's

1565
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:21,539
in Japanese but for any Japanese

1566
01:15:25,339 --> 01:15:23,250
speaking listeners maybe they can kind

1567
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,349
of you know cross-reference some of the

1568
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,360
English translations because sometimes

1569
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:29,280
the government may not be entirely

1570
01:15:34,549 --> 01:15:31,289
accurate I know that comes as a shock to

1571
01:15:36,049 --> 01:15:34,559
some people but maybe those that speak

1572
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,059
Japanese can look at the written

1573
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,360
statement by the captain and see what he

1574
01:15:44,089 --> 01:15:42,000
wrote in his native language I can say

1575
01:15:46,609 --> 01:15:44,099
this though that in and this was kind of

1576
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:46,619
interesting to me he called the UFO that

1577
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:48,780
he saw a mothership on multiple

1578
01:15:52,729 --> 01:15:51,210
occasions within his interview and so

1579
01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:52,739
you're you know as an experienced

1580
01:15:59,569 --> 01:15:56,340
commercial pilot in 96 you you're not

1581
01:16:01,419 --> 01:15:59,579
you're not going to be you're not going

1582
01:16:04,299 --> 01:16:01,429
to be describing a you know a

1583
01:16:05,569 --> 01:16:04,309
neighboring 747 in flight as a

1584
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:05,579
mothership

1585
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:07,770
you know even a military aircraft if he

1586
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:09,630
sees it streaking through the sky that's

1587
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:12,750
a very interesting term to use and yet

1588
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,900
he used it on multiple occasions it's

1589
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:18,000
for me to kind of go through what the

1590
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:19,770
pilot saw and then you see the

1591
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:22,050
crewmembers that's one of the more

1592
01:16:28,129 --> 01:16:26,550
important finds in this group well let

1593
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,139
me let me jump in really carefully

1594
01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:31,280
because specifically he says he's

1595
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:34,440
getting interviewed by is it Richard

1596
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,369
Gordon where Gordon's you know and so

1597
01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:40,880
Terry uchi says

1598
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:44,470
of cargo flight and took off 2 a.m.

1599
01:16:49,810 --> 01:16:47,570
midnight after midnight after takeoff we

1600
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:49,820
start to climb and we saw on the left

1601
01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:53,510
hand side a big mothership and he says

1602
01:16:59,500 --> 01:16:56,990
it was so weird that I ignored it and

1603
01:17:02,980 --> 01:16:59,510
then he says yeah big ship and the

1604
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:02,990
second time I saw clear sky daytime

1605
01:17:07,930 --> 01:17:05,480
above I guess maybe 10,000 feet the

1606
01:17:09,460 --> 01:17:07,940
light continued for about 10 minutes but

1607
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:09,470
he says right there

1608
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:13,070
mothership that's a very interesting why

1609
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:15,590
do you think I mean for you and I and

1610
01:17:21,580 --> 01:17:18,800
the rest of the UFO audience out there

1611
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:21,590
mothership we understand what that may

1612
01:17:27,850 --> 01:17:25,250
mean or imply but when you see this

1613
01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:27,860
coming from a pilot is he referencing

1614
01:17:32,830 --> 01:17:29,980
the same thing that we're thinking about

1615
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:32,840
in my opinion yes and I would and this

1616
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:34,400
is where I would be curious to kind of

1617
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:36,950
see somebody who you know speaks

1618
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:38,270
Japanese to kind of go through his

1619
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:39,650
original because I have all the original

1620
01:17:44,140 --> 01:17:41,330
statements that he's submitted in

1621
01:17:47,470 --> 01:17:44,150
Japanese to kind of see was this maybe a

1622
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:47,480
translation issue but he but he gave

1623
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:50,840
this particular part of the interview in

1624
01:17:58,510 --> 01:17:53,090
English so I believe he was obviously

1625
01:18:01,240 --> 01:17:58,520
bilingual but he he is the one I believe

1626
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:01,250
from looking at this that chose the word

1627
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,410
mothership and continued to use it

1628
01:18:08,410 --> 01:18:06,560
throughout he also when he described the

1629
01:18:10,570 --> 01:18:08,420
mothership was talking about the certain

1630
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,580
light patterns that were on it now

1631
01:18:15,790 --> 01:18:13,360
here's why I bring that up a pilot

1632
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:15,800
planes excuse me commercial airliners

1633
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,140
have specific lights and specific

1634
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:20,960
positions for a reason and pilots are

1635
01:18:25,930 --> 01:18:23,570
much well more well-versed than I am to

1636
01:18:28,030 --> 01:18:25,940
explain you know why certain colors are

1637
01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:28,040
on what side of the aircraft and so on

1638
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:30,200
but they are there for a reason right

1639
01:18:34,690 --> 01:18:31,910
they're stipulated on why they're there

1640
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:34,700
when a pilot sees a craft describes it

1641
01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:36,110
as a mother ship and the lights don't

1642
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:38,600
match up to anything that he is aware of

1643
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,760
that to me is a very important part of

1644
01:18:46,030 --> 01:18:43,120
the story if somebody from the ground

1645
01:18:47,410 --> 01:18:46,040
unrelated to flight 1628 somebody from

1646
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:47,420
the ground called me up and said John I

1647
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:50,270
saw a UFO it had a red and blue flashing

1648
01:18:55,150 --> 01:18:53,210
light and it was flying through the air

1649
01:18:57,010 --> 01:18:55,160
that to me kind of screams okay well

1650
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:57,020
that really kind of follows FAA

1651
01:19:00,580 --> 01:18:59,090
regulations there so I don't really

1652
01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:00,590
think that we're going to be talking

1653
01:19:04,570 --> 01:19:03,080
about an alien spacecraft my point with

1654
01:19:06,850 --> 01:19:04,580
that is I think that a lot of things are

1655
01:19:08,770 --> 01:19:06,860
misidentified but when a pilot sees

1656
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:08,780
certain light patterns on what he calls

1657
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:10,610
a mothership that don't fit into

1658
01:19:16,570 --> 01:19:14,330
anything that he has seen or is is known

1659
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:16,580
to exist or that he's trained to look

1660
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,530
out for or so on to me that's an

1661
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:20,719
important part and he does say that when

1662
01:19:27,490 --> 01:19:24,320
he's describing the the mothership when

1663
01:19:31,570 --> 01:19:27,500
he sees when he sees these lights in the

1664
01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:31,580
sky so what that means I don't know what

1665
01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:33,380
did he see I'm not really sure but I can

1666
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:35,780
say that he was an experienced enough

1667
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:39,140
pilot to identify something if it was

1668
01:19:43,870 --> 01:19:41,060
another commercial airliner or possibly

1669
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:43,880
military and yet yet he couldn't do it

1670
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:46,730
yeah he says here this is very

1671
01:19:48,820 --> 01:19:48,290
interesting remember he's a fighter

1672
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:48,830
pilot

1673
01:19:53,170 --> 01:19:50,330
too as well he's talking about flames

1674
01:19:57,490 --> 01:19:53,180
and exhaust in the in the smaller craft

1675
01:19:59,890 --> 01:19:57,500
and he says I saw sparks like fire when

1676
01:20:02,290 --> 01:19:59,900
using gasoline or carbon fuel you know

1677
01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:02,300
that's how he describes it you can see a

1678
01:20:08,979 --> 01:20:04,760
great big flame but I could not see

1679
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:08,989
flame at another angle although there

1680
01:20:15,940 --> 01:20:13,520
was a big blast and then there's another

1681
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:15,950
Japanese must be an interpreter he says

1682
01:20:19,870 --> 01:20:18,350
seems like it's really high technology

1683
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:19,880
because you can't see anything over

1684
01:20:24,130 --> 01:20:22,130
there unless it's in a spinning rotation

1685
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,140
and then Gordon comes in and says yeah

1686
01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:26,960
okay somebody said sometimes the sparks

1687
01:20:31,780 --> 01:20:29,300
kick over into it and you could see the

1688
01:20:34,630 --> 01:20:31,790
exhaust now in my mind there's another

1689
01:20:38,260 --> 01:20:34,640
picture you have here where this this

1690
01:20:41,290 --> 01:20:38,270
could be on this big thing at captain

1691
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:41,300
and this is what he says check this out

1692
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:44,810
the stereo gee quite different this is

1693
01:20:52,780 --> 01:20:49,610
just a small spaceship this one the

1694
01:20:56,650 --> 01:20:52,790
other one the mothership is the size of

1695
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:56,660
a carrier two times bigger it's a mother

1696
01:21:03,729 --> 01:21:00,320
ship so after they flew with us three or

1697
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:03,739
five minutes like a home mission they

1698
01:21:08,739 --> 01:21:06,260
move to the mothership he's talking

1699
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:08,749
about the two small craft so then I

1700
01:21:13,959 --> 01:21:11,329
found the mothership light but this is

1701
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:13,969
not light all engine because we have

1702
01:21:19,149 --> 01:21:16,940
contact seven or eight miles here so we

1703
01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:19,159
saw the first light so the first light

1704
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:22,190
contact they move behind so we saw the

1705
01:21:29,109 --> 01:21:24,289
pairs of light he's talking about the

1706
01:21:31,689 --> 01:21:29,119
two smaller craft that so we saw this

1707
01:21:34,270 --> 01:21:31,699
light the same size this one the same

1708
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:34,280
size very interesting so that's why he's

1709
01:21:39,609 --> 01:21:37,010
calling it a mothership he says Gordon

1710
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:39,619
says so do you think that it was just

1711
01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:41,449
the mothership and then these little

1712
01:21:46,959 --> 01:21:43,940
things were and he goes yeah they were

1713
01:21:49,450 --> 01:21:46,969
moving along and and and went to the

1714
01:21:51,729 --> 01:21:49,460
mothership very inner so thats why i

1715
01:21:55,029 --> 01:21:51,739
called it the mothership because the two

1716
01:21:57,700 --> 01:21:55,039
craft in the official reports that i

1717
01:22:00,459 --> 01:21:57,710
have seen in the past the two craft

1718
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:00,469
disappeared that's what I thought and

1719
01:22:07,029 --> 01:22:03,530
then this giant walnut-sized thing rises

1720
01:22:09,489 --> 01:22:07,039
up in front of jl 1628 but now he's

1721
01:22:14,379 --> 01:22:09,499
saying here that the two smaller craft

1722
01:22:16,989 --> 01:22:14,389
moved to the mothership very interesting

1723
01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:16,999
I cannot believe you found this document

1724
01:22:20,589 --> 01:22:18,440
okay I'm just camping out but I'm

1725
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,599
reading here well the the other

1726
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:22,159
interesting thing too is you go through

1727
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:24,050
because and the transcript is long and

1728
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:26,630
and and so I would encourage anybody

1729
01:22:30,819 --> 01:22:28,489
listening definitely read it because you

1730
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:30,829
can essentially see what here what the

1731
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,530
pilot was saying and the other

1732
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:34,880
interesting thing though is that there

1733
01:22:40,359 --> 01:22:38,239
are contradictions on what the FAA

1734
01:22:42,489 --> 01:22:40,369
personnel and everybody was reporting

1735
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:42,499
and it comes down to the radar this is

1736
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:44,300
something that I think although you know

1737
01:22:47,950 --> 01:22:46,550
I'm not going to bet $100 on it but I

1738
01:22:50,379 --> 01:22:47,960
think that this is the stuff that really

1739
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:50,389
has never been out before and during the

1740
01:22:53,799 --> 01:22:52,249
investigation not only did they do these

1741
01:22:57,729 --> 01:22:53,809
interviews with the pilot and the crew

1742
01:22:59,799 --> 01:22:57,739
of flight 1628 but what they also did

1743
01:23:03,459 --> 01:22:59,809
was they they gathered and collected all

1744
01:23:06,430 --> 01:23:03,469
of the radar data that was going on as

1745
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,440
they were monitoring 1628 it's a very

1746
01:23:10,299 --> 01:23:08,239
serious thing when a pilot says that

1747
01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:10,309
they see traffic near their aircraft

1748
01:23:14,259 --> 01:23:12,260
because obviously they are trained to

1749
01:23:15,729 --> 01:23:14,269
make sure that that they're not going to

1750
01:23:17,169 --> 01:23:15,739
collide with anybody and that's what

1751
01:23:18,580 --> 01:23:17,179
these guys do

1752
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:18,590
and so they collected all of the radar

1753
01:23:24,009 --> 01:23:21,110
data and and not only did I get all of

1754
01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:24,019
the radar data but the FAA then input

1755
01:23:30,429 --> 01:23:26,860
all of that radar data into equivalent

1756
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:30,439
radar systems to then create screens of

1757
01:23:36,779 --> 01:23:33,289
what they were seeing on the screen as

1758
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:36,789
flight 1628 was encountering these UFOs

1759
01:23:41,979 --> 01:23:40,159
included were color photographs of these

1760
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,989
radar screens you can download them all

1761
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:44,239
it's actually pretty cool to see now

1762
01:23:48,370 --> 01:23:46,010
here's kind of the weird twist and I'm

1763
01:23:51,759 --> 01:23:48,380
I'm still trying to figure out exactly

1764
01:23:53,979 --> 01:23:51,769
what all of this part means but as that

1765
01:23:56,049 --> 01:23:53,989
they were reviewing the radar data and

1766
01:23:58,449 --> 01:23:56,059
they were putting it into equivalent

1767
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,459
systems to again see the screens and

1768
01:24:02,679 --> 01:24:00,800
figure out was there a second third or

1769
01:24:05,919 --> 01:24:02,689
fourth of the were there UFOs in

1770
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:05,929
addition to flight 1628 they said and

1771
01:24:11,529 --> 01:24:08,090
there's a document that actually breaks

1772
01:24:15,009 --> 01:24:11,539
this down that at the exact time that

1773
01:24:16,419 --> 01:24:15,019
the UFO sighting was taken place that

1774
01:24:19,449 --> 01:24:16,429
the radar data showed that they were

1775
01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:19,459
that they were seeing what they called

1776
01:24:26,529 --> 01:24:23,420
quote uncorrelated primary and beacon

1777
01:24:28,299 --> 01:24:26,539
targets or uncorrelated radar signals

1778
01:24:30,129 --> 01:24:28,309
now don't worry I didn't know what that

1779
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,139
meant maybe some pilots that are

1780
01:24:34,419 --> 01:24:31,760
listening would totally understand that

1781
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,429
but apparently what that means is that

1782
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,320
when the radar energy goes from a radar

1783
01:24:39,729 --> 01:24:38,239
system out and it's supposed to just

1784
01:24:41,649 --> 01:24:39,739
bounce back the signature of the

1785
01:24:46,029 --> 01:24:41,659
aircraft and their pops up on your

1786
01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:46,039
screen that that sometimes the signal

1787
01:24:51,609 --> 01:24:48,380
will not only come back from the radar

1788
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:51,619
but also the transponder beacon from the

1789
01:24:55,449 --> 01:24:53,329
aircraft as well and then all of a

1790
01:24:57,790 --> 01:24:55,459
sudden you have multiple blips and it

1791
01:24:58,330 --> 01:24:57,800
the two dots don't match up on the radar

1792
01:24:59,739 --> 01:24:58,340
screen

1793
01:25:02,529 --> 01:24:59,749
and they don't show as being in the

1794
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:02,539
exact same location it's some apparent

1795
01:25:09,819 --> 01:25:06,380
phenomena with radar that in in this in

1796
01:25:11,799 --> 01:25:09,829
this incident report in these batches of

1797
01:25:14,589 --> 01:25:11,809
files the FAA tried to claim and I'll

1798
01:25:16,689 --> 01:25:14,599
even quote the guy this is from Paul

1799
01:25:18,370 --> 01:25:16,699
Stewart if I probably don't have that

1800
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:18,380
pronounced right but he was part of the

1801
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,920
FAA Public Affairs Office and he said

1802
01:25:26,379 --> 01:25:24,400
this electronic phenomena is not unusual

1803
01:25:28,419 --> 01:25:26,389
or I'm sorry the documents that the

1804
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:28,429
electronic phenomena is not unusual the

1805
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:30,090
quote from stoic says

1806
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:32,610
it is unfortunate that the uncorrelated

1807
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,460
target phenomena occurred just when a

1808
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:37,679
pilot was reporting seeing something

1809
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:40,530
outside of his aircraft I'm trying to

1810
01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:42,780
figure out what he means by that is that

1811
01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:45,239
are we just chalking this up to some

1812
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,820
kind of really sad unfortunate

1813
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,199
coincidence because now he can't confirm

1814
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,840
right that UFOs really there right or is

1815
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:54,239
he is there a connection between the

1816
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,730
UFOs and this phenomena that happened on

1817
01:26:01,790 --> 01:25:58,800
the radar screens I'm not sure what the

1818
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:01,800
answer is but this is all spelled out in

1819
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:04,730
detail from the FAA that they were

1820
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:07,230
essentially seeing this phenomena at the

1821
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:09,630
exact same time and the public affairs

1822
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:11,610
officer says oh yeah it's really

1823
01:26:15,859 --> 01:26:13,560
unfortunate happened at the exact same

1824
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:15,869
time and it's rather humorous because

1825
01:26:21,229 --> 01:26:18,030
you wonder what if what are you trying

1826
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:21,239
to say here I mean were there were their

1827
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:24,210
contacts now the other part that's

1828
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,860
interesting about the the radar

1829
01:26:31,729 --> 01:26:28,320
documents going through them is that you

1830
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:31,739
have signed statements from some of the

1831
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:33,480
ground controllers there on what they

1832
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:36,420
did and did not see and it seems like

1833
01:26:40,220 --> 01:26:37,440
going back to my comment about

1834
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,230
contradictions it seems like they are

1835
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:43,080
themselves contradicting what the

1836
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:45,570
official line is one says oh well we

1837
01:26:50,780 --> 01:26:49,050
only saw normal aircraft traffic on the

1838
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,790
radar screen so nothing abnormal

1839
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:53,040
another sign statement says yeah it

1840
01:26:57,260 --> 01:26:54,480
looks like we can confirm that there was

1841
01:27:00,859 --> 01:26:57,270
a second craft and air traffic near

1842
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:00,869
flight 1628 so it's it's it's very it's

1843
01:27:03,859 --> 01:27:02,250
one of those bizarre things like what

1844
01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:03,869
are you guys trying to say was there it

1845
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:07,020
wasn't there and a way from the pilot

1846
01:27:10,339 --> 01:27:08,489
testimony we know what the pilot said

1847
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:10,349
but what are you guys trying to say with

1848
01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:13,110
the radar stuff and I'm not it's not

1849
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:16,380
clear what they're trying to say but in

1850
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,380
addition then to all of the radar data

1851
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:21,360
and all of the radar analysis that they

1852
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:23,340
were doing and all of the contradictions

1853
01:27:27,379 --> 01:27:25,260
that now are starting to come up they

1854
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:27,389
actually talked about other UFO

1855
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:28,830
sightings this was also another

1856
01:27:33,050 --> 01:27:31,050
interesting find in these documents that

1857
01:27:37,339 --> 01:27:33,060
occurred within about a year or two of

1858
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,349
the same flight 1628 incident about a

1859
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:40,320
year or two of other UFO encounters

1860
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:42,270
between military and commercial aircraft

1861
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:43,500
in that same air

1862
01:27:48,770 --> 01:27:46,110
they even referenced the Air Force being

1863
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:48,780
involved in one of them from the late

1864
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:51,570
1980s now what's wrong with that the Air

1865
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:54,300
Force didn't care about UFOs after 1969

1866
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:56,940
and yet here's an FAA document saying

1867
01:28:02,830 --> 01:27:59,460
yeah the the Air Force looked into this

1868
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:02,840
and they were not able to find a

1869
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:05,130
confirmation of a UFO

1870
01:28:09,260 --> 01:28:06,510
now even though that's not a great

1871
01:28:11,210 --> 01:28:09,270
conclusion the point I'm making is the

1872
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:11,220
Air Force was involved that they were

1873
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:13,290
taking these UFO encounters seriously

1874
01:28:17,870 --> 01:28:15,300
and again that was not 1628 that was a

1875
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:17,880
different a different u.s. UFO encounter

1876
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that was outlined in these documents so

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there's a lot of nuggets that came out

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in these documents that I wasn't

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expecting I just figured it would be all

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about flight 1628 and we'd get the same

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01:28:34,670 --> 01:28:33,660
runaround answer on the contrary a lot

1882
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:34,680
of these documents are very

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contradictory to themselves meaning the

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01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,750
FAA was not in agreement with what

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happened although there's no

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quote-unquote conclusion page where they

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said well we think he was hallucinating

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or we think it was a weather balloon or

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whatever silly explanation at least not

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that I found they did research this

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01:28:58,760 --> 01:28:56,550
quite extensively and they did try and

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01:29:00,920 --> 01:28:58,770
figure out what it was and in my opinion

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01:29:03,700 --> 01:29:00,930
they couldn't and none of these

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01:29:07,340 --> 01:29:03,710
documents show any kind of definitive

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01:29:09,710 --> 01:29:07,350
explanation but rather it first starts

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01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,720
talking about this radar phenomena in

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01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:11,760
the exact same moment that they were

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seeing the UFOs whether or not that's a

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01:29:18,980 --> 01:29:16,260
coincidence I'll let your listeners

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01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:18,990
decide but there's some very amazing

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01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:21,360
gems in this collection that I think

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probably at this point in my opinion the

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fa probably wish they did destroy them

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all yeah III know what I'm gonna be

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doing tonight after the show let's take

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01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:33,000
a break right here I'm gonna go through

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01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:34,920
all of this I went through parts of it

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already this is fade to black

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John Greenwald the black vault talking

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about Japan Airlines 1628 but when we

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come back we're gonna jump straight over

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to a tip what is a tip well if you don't

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know you're gonna find out right after

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this short break stay with us

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is a revolution the

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[Music]

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01:34:31,420 --> 01:34:29,439
welcome back fade to black I'm here

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01:34:33,970 --> 01:34:31,430
super church tonight our guests John

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01:34:38,140 --> 01:34:33,980
Greenwald of the black vault

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01:34:44,979 --> 01:34:38,150
and before we continue here I want to

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01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:44,989
say this really quick that John and I in

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01:34:51,340 --> 01:34:47,810
announcing the show here tonight with

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01:34:55,660 --> 01:34:51,350
John we did do a public and private

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01:34:58,990 --> 01:34:55,670
invitation for Tom DeLonge and Lewis

2000
01:35:02,140 --> 01:34:59,000
Elizondo and so just to be fair just let

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01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:02,150
everybody know if I failed to mention

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01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:05,960
that they responded back and I did do

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01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:08,630
that that wouldn't be cool Tom did write

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01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:11,030
me back and stated that you know what

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01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:15,410
thank you not at this time you know not

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01:35:21,150 --> 01:35:18,070
at this time but that he does respect

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01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:21,160
fade to black in the UFO community and

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01:35:25,890 --> 01:35:23,570
without getting into the other details

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01:35:29,650 --> 01:35:25,900
of that correspondence that stuff stays

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01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:29,660
private and confidential but they did

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01:35:37,140 --> 01:35:32,530
respond back okay so I just want to

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01:35:40,150 --> 01:35:37,150
publicly state that now okay so John

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01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:40,160
let's let's get into a little bit of the

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01:35:48,910 --> 01:35:43,880
history here first because your research

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01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:48,920
into a tip and what is documented on the

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01:35:56,410 --> 01:35:52,130
black vault is its it's very

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01:35:58,510 --> 01:35:56,420
comprehensive it's it's long it's very

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01:36:01,120 --> 01:35:58,520
in-depth okay so you've been doing this

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01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:01,130
for quite a while now and it's a lot of

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01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:03,890
stuff to read through for everybody I

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01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:06,110
invite everybody to go to the black

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01:36:11,890 --> 01:36:08,510
vault and go to that case file the links

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01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:11,900
are up right now not only in Twitter by

2024
01:36:15,490 --> 01:36:15,140
John but ourselves included here at fade

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01:36:18,850 --> 01:36:15,500
to black

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01:36:21,130 --> 01:36:18,860
okay real quick I put a shortcut for

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01:36:25,630 --> 01:36:21,140
anybody to just kind of jump to the page

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01:36:27,670 --> 01:36:25,640
as the black vault calm /t t-s-a

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01:36:29,290 --> 01:36:27,680
all lowercase and that that will shoot

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01:36:31,209 --> 01:36:29,300
you to what we're going to be talking

2031
01:36:33,970 --> 01:36:31,219
about everything and it like you said

2032
01:36:36,910 --> 01:36:33,980
it's a rather big page but I've tried to

2033
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:36,920
be as thorough and as fair as possible

2034
01:36:41,589 --> 01:36:39,199
as I dissect all the

2035
01:36:43,689 --> 01:36:41,599
claims about a tip and all of the

2036
01:36:48,370 --> 01:36:43,699
related material now right so let's

2037
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:48,380
let's end cap so you excuse me I just

2038
01:36:54,660 --> 01:36:50,090
coughed and didn't use my cough button

2039
01:37:00,370 --> 01:36:54,670
let's encapsulate everything in a very

2040
01:37:07,509 --> 01:37:00,380
bridged version of it so let's start

2041
01:37:12,069 --> 01:37:07,519
first with a tip what is a tip sure so

2042
01:37:14,649 --> 01:37:12,079
as we know in October of 2017 Tom

2043
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,659
DeLonge and quite a few other gentlemen

2044
01:37:19,870 --> 01:37:17,360
appeared on stage and announced the to

2045
01:37:21,969 --> 01:37:19,880
the stars Academy with that came a

2046
01:37:26,109 --> 01:37:21,979
revelation a very cool revelation by the

2047
01:37:27,939 --> 01:37:26,119
way of a program that was done within

2048
01:37:29,919 --> 01:37:27,949
the Department of Defense and in the

2049
01:37:33,009 --> 01:37:29,929
United States military in conjunction

2050
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:33,019
with the private sector of researching

2051
01:37:39,489 --> 01:37:36,409
UFOs now in October of 2017 a tip was

2052
01:37:42,969 --> 01:37:39,499
not known yet but they did allude to the

2053
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,979
program existing mr. Luisi Elizondo was

2054
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:44,719
one of the gentlemen that stood up he

2055
01:37:49,810 --> 01:37:46,130
announced himself as being the director

2056
01:37:51,790 --> 01:37:49,820
of this project and when a claim like

2057
01:37:54,009 --> 01:37:51,800
that is made I am all over it because

2058
01:37:56,290 --> 01:37:54,019
that is just a very cool story it

2059
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:56,300
coincides with something that I have

2060
01:38:00,040 --> 01:37:58,130
said for many many years that the

2061
01:38:03,009 --> 01:38:00,050
government has not lost interest in UFOs

2062
01:38:05,859 --> 01:38:03,019
I briefly said before the last break

2063
01:38:08,379 --> 01:38:05,869
that the Air Force has contested for

2064
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,389
many years that 1969 was the last year

2065
01:38:12,370 --> 01:38:10,400
they were interested I've got

2066
01:38:15,459 --> 01:38:12,380
documentation to prove otherwise

2067
01:38:18,370 --> 01:38:15,469
and so when this claim was made by mr.

2068
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,380
Elizondo I was all over it started

2069
01:38:23,979 --> 01:38:20,320
filing FOIA requests and December of

2070
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:23,989
2017 then it really broke then the name

2071
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:26,449
going back to your question now the a

2072
01:38:31,029 --> 01:38:29,690
tip program or and here is going to be

2073
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:31,039
where I'm going to get hate mail

2074
01:38:37,060 --> 01:38:34,090
the advanced aviation threat

2075
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:37,070
identification program or a tip was

2076
01:38:41,049 --> 01:38:38,570
announced to the world here's the

2077
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:41,059
controversy and it doesn't sound like

2078
01:38:45,699 --> 01:38:43,130
it's a big one but I'll explain why I

2079
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:45,709
feel it is kind of a big one it has been

2080
01:38:50,949 --> 01:38:48,110
reported as also by the name of advanced

2081
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:50,959
aerospace threat identification program

2082
01:38:55,570 --> 01:38:53,000
mr. Elizondo claims

2083
01:38:56,050 --> 01:38:55,580
the arrow aerospace is the right way to

2084
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:56,060
say it

2085
01:39:00,940 --> 01:38:58,130
the united states government claims that

2086
01:39:04,690 --> 01:39:00,950
it's aviation now why is this a big deal

2087
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:04,700
I liken it this way if dr. J Allen Hynek

2088
01:39:10,030 --> 01:39:07,280
said I was the scientific advisor for

2089
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:10,040
project green book and we later found

2090
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:11,840
out that the real name was Project Blue

2091
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:13,610
Book well it's close enough at the color

2092
01:39:21,010 --> 01:39:17,870
and so on would we question the rest of

2093
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:21,020
what he said I would say yes and so this

2094
01:39:25,810 --> 01:39:23,090
is not against anybody's honesty or

2095
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:25,820
integrity but I'm interested in why

2096
01:39:31,690 --> 01:39:28,400
would the government if they are lying

2097
01:39:33,940 --> 01:39:31,700
or if they are stating something that is

2098
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:33,950
not necessarily true why is that and I

2099
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,730
can't figure out a reason why and as I

2100
01:39:42,970 --> 01:39:40,400
started filing FOIA requests as I

2101
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:42,980
started researching it more certain red

2102
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:46,610
flags began to pop up that contradicted

2103
01:39:52,630 --> 01:39:49,610
what the mainstream media reported and

2104
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:52,640
as a victim of the mainstream media

2105
01:39:56,820 --> 01:39:55,040
myself and I can give you multiple

2106
01:39:59,500 --> 01:39:56,830
examples but I won't worry to death of

2107
01:40:01,900 --> 01:39:59,510
MIS reporting about something that I

2108
01:40:05,980 --> 01:40:01,910
have come out with ufo-related and not

2109
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:05,990
but misreporting I was concerned that

2110
01:40:09,730 --> 01:40:08,090
maybe mr. Elizondo and the to the Stars

2111
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:09,740
Academy was not being represented

2112
01:40:14,830 --> 01:40:12,050
properly because this is the seriousness

2113
01:40:17,650 --> 01:40:14,840
of it as you know Jimmy I've spent 22

2114
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,660
years trying to get people to pay

2115
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:19,520
attention to the real material out there

2116
01:40:24,130 --> 01:40:22,130
not the stuff that's embellished not the

2117
01:40:26,770 --> 01:40:24,140
silliness that we find on some YouTube

2118
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:26,780
channels and blogs but the real material

2119
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:30,290
the real information the real documents

2120
01:40:37,810 --> 01:40:34,010
because the truth in my opinion is more

2121
01:40:40,450 --> 01:40:37,820
fascinating than fiction and that's what

2122
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:40,460
I've really spent my time with and so as

2123
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:43,970
the week's turned into months and I

2124
01:40:48,670 --> 01:40:45,500
started getting more and more red flags

2125
01:40:51,310 --> 01:40:48,680
I started asking questions and that has

2126
01:40:55,210 --> 01:40:51,320
now led to a very controversial debate

2127
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:55,220
on whether or not a tip number one the

2128
01:40:58,300 --> 01:40:56,930
name yeah I think it's an issue but

2129
01:41:01,240 --> 01:40:58,310
that's not the only one

2130
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:01,250
if a tip really was what we are led to

2131
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:03,650
believe and I believe that there are

2132
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,310
enough red flags now to start

2133
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:09,280
making the case that as we are now

2134
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:11,530
approaching a one-year mark from the

2135
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:16,930
October 27th October 2017 announcement

2136
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:20,890
that this program was in existence as we

2137
01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:23,050
approach that year mark if you can

2138
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:24,790
believe it it's been almost a year I

2139
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:26,950
think certain questions at this point

2140
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:29,920
should be answered and and addressed and

2141
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:33,970
to my surprise the Pentagon has spent

2142
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:36,730
some time with me both on the telephone

2143
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:39,070
and in writing from the official

2144
01:41:45,330 --> 01:41:42,930
spokesperson from the Pentagon itself

2145
01:41:47,820 --> 01:41:45,340
when they make claims in writing that's

2146
01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:47,830
important and we can get into that but

2147
01:41:52,260 --> 01:41:49,480
they they are the only ones that are

2148
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:52,270
addressing some of these issues can't

2149
01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:53,920
believe I'm saying that but the United

2150
01:41:58,140 --> 01:41:55,420
States government is actually being more

2151
01:42:01,890 --> 01:41:58,150
open than an organization that says that

2152
01:42:03,630 --> 01:42:01,900
they want to stop secrecy and so that I

2153
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:03,640
don't want it to come off as me being

2154
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:06,310
combative but rather I want to be

2155
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:08,890
accurate okay let me ask you some very

2156
01:42:17,130 --> 01:42:13,450
very specific questions and in all of

2157
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:17,140
your Freedom of Information Act requests

2158
01:42:25,170 --> 01:42:22,110
concerning a tip or any any any

2159
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:25,180
personalities with a tip any request

2160
01:42:32,210 --> 01:42:28,810
that you have done so far how many

2161
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:32,220
documents have been released to you

2162
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:36,010
officially under FOIA as of last week

2163
01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:40,990
one just one okay no those are documents

2164
01:42:45,690 --> 01:42:43,540
now there have been statements but okay

2165
01:42:47,940 --> 01:42:45,700
but those are those are not under FOIA I

2166
01:42:49,890 --> 01:42:47,950
mean if I'm answering your your question

2167
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:49,900
correctly under the Freedom of

2168
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:52,570
Information Act as far as I am aware

2169
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:56,100
there is only one single real document

2170
01:43:01,710 --> 01:42:59,290
that was released under the FOIA and

2171
01:43:03,090 --> 01:43:01,720
that came just days ago okay

2172
01:43:05,730 --> 01:43:03,100
and we're gonna get we're gonna get to

2173
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:05,740
that document in a second but concerning

2174
01:43:14,850 --> 01:43:11,170
your searches and your request on how

2175
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,860
you formulated those what in a general

2176
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:16,880
sense because the the

2177
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:18,650
search terms in those requests can be

2178
01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:22,580
broad and also very extensive but what

2179
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:26,860
were you requesting for aerospace

2180
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:31,010
aviation Luis Elizondo for instance were

2181
01:43:37,390 --> 01:43:35,510
you were you how broad what were your

2182
01:43:41,470 --> 01:43:37,400
search requests in those terms

2183
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:41,480
sure so after October the word or the

2184
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:43,850
excuse me the acronym a tip or the

2185
01:43:51,310 --> 01:43:47,090
whatever it stands for was not known yet

2186
01:43:55,629 --> 01:43:51,320
so my original requests that I I sent in

2187
01:43:58,750 --> 01:43:55,639
an October gave extensive details and

2188
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:58,760
also quoting from the transcript of the

2189
01:44:04,030 --> 01:44:01,040
press conference that to the Stars

2190
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:04,040
Academy did with mr. elizondo's name

2191
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:05,510
because if he's laying claim to being

2192
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:07,610
the director of the program

2193
01:44:11,260 --> 01:44:09,290
when you submit a FOIA request that's

2194
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:11,270
kind of more than enough information for

2195
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:14,090
them to deduce what you're talking about

2196
01:44:19,780 --> 01:44:15,440
so even though you don't know it's

2197
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:19,790
Project X you do have the again boy who

2198
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:21,650
is said to be the director of the

2199
01:44:26,830 --> 01:44:24,290
program what the objectives were and

2200
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:26,840
there was enough meat in what he said

2201
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:30,110
for any FOIA officer to direct my

2202
01:44:34,930 --> 01:44:32,840
request in the right way that original

2203
01:44:37,930 --> 01:44:34,940
request received a what's called a no

2204
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,940
records response the office of the

2205
01:44:43,390 --> 01:44:40,639
Secretary of Defense which is the office

2206
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:43,400
that is kind of the main office that

2207
01:44:47,950 --> 01:44:46,310
handles all for your request to the DoD

2208
01:44:49,570 --> 01:44:47,960
it gets a little bit more complicated

2209
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:49,580
but they're kind of like the the main

2210
01:44:53,649 --> 01:44:51,110
office and then what happens is that

2211
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,659
they funnel out or transfer out those

2212
01:44:58,620 --> 01:44:56,000
FOIA requests to the appropriate DoD

2213
01:45:01,660 --> 01:44:58,630
component right so the DIA is a

2214
01:45:02,410 --> 01:45:01,670
component of the DoD and so on and so

2215
01:45:04,810 --> 01:45:02,420
forth

2216
01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:04,820
however after filing that request they

2217
01:45:11,169 --> 01:45:06,590
gave me a no records response they said

2218
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:11,179
nothing existed based on my request

2219
01:45:17,919 --> 01:45:14,330
now when December came about so I was

2220
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:17,929
about November 27th when I received that

2221
01:45:23,020 --> 01:45:21,170
no records response when December broke

2222
01:45:25,180 --> 01:45:23,030
and the New York Times of Politico and

2223
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:25,190
then the avalanche of publicity that

2224
01:45:30,370 --> 01:45:27,530
they that they garnered for this and and

2225
01:45:32,340 --> 01:45:30,380
props to that because it went global

2226
01:45:35,820 --> 01:45:32,350
then it was known on what the name was

2227
01:45:38,979 --> 01:45:35,830
now this has been worth at that kind of

2228
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:38,989
issue came with the name because

2229
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:41,810
originally without filing a FOIA I work

2230
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:44,239
in television as you pointed out and I

2231
01:45:49,629 --> 01:45:46,370
was working on developing a television

2232
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:49,639
series at the time and I thought hey

2233
01:45:54,970 --> 01:45:52,010
mister Elizondo would be a perfect

2234
01:45:57,250 --> 01:45:54,980
person if he would agree to be a part of

2235
01:45:58,780 --> 01:45:57,260
this so let me see because at this point

2236
01:46:00,959 --> 01:45:58,790
I didn't know how controversial it would

2237
01:46:04,180 --> 01:46:00,969
get I mean this was like a week or two

2238
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:04,190
of the announcement of it so I picked up

2239
01:46:09,550 --> 01:46:06,170
the phone and called a contact over at

2240
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,560
the Pentagon within their PR office and

2241
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:11,360
I asked them about the advanced

2242
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:13,250
aerospace threat identification program

2243
01:46:18,129 --> 01:46:16,310
and they corrected me on the telephone

2244
01:46:20,350 --> 01:46:18,139
and they said no it's advanced aviation

2245
01:46:23,410 --> 01:46:20,360
I saw I'm sorry I said actually the

2246
01:46:24,879 --> 01:46:23,420
media is saying aerospace so is that

2247
01:46:27,550 --> 01:46:24,889
wrong and they said yes that that is

2248
01:46:31,689 --> 01:46:27,560
wrong after that to confirm it I was

2249
01:46:34,209 --> 01:46:31,699
then passed to a major her rank as major

2250
01:46:36,700 --> 01:46:34,219
her name is Audra Harris she is one of

2251
01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:36,710
the official spokespeople for the

2252
01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:38,870
Pentagon I bring up her name because she

2253
01:46:45,700 --> 01:46:42,860
is again the one that gave me that

2254
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:45,710
information confirmed it and then did it

2255
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,330
in writing because I asked her I said

2256
01:46:51,220 --> 01:46:49,040
would you mind if you shot me an email

2257
01:46:53,620 --> 01:46:51,230
so I at least have this on an official

2258
01:46:55,570 --> 01:46:53,630
level that you're stating this because I

2259
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:55,580
think one of the first interviews that I

2260
01:46:58,689 --> 01:46:56,960
even did with you you said okay well

2261
01:47:00,700 --> 01:46:58,699
this was just a phone call and I said

2262
01:47:02,050 --> 01:47:00,710
well yeah but it happened and so I got

2263
01:47:04,330 --> 01:47:02,060
it in writing just to make sure there

2264
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,340
was no misunderstandings right with what

2265
01:47:09,790 --> 01:47:06,560
I was what I was claiming to the public

2266
01:47:11,979 --> 01:47:09,800
and she said yeah absolutely so for me

2267
01:47:15,010 --> 01:47:11,989
and this is this is a very common

2268
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:15,020
misconception with those that argue with

2269
01:47:20,919 --> 01:47:19,489
me over this the list is dwindling on

2270
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:20,929
how many people are attacking me but I

2271
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:22,850
still get attacked for it the

2272
01:47:28,810 --> 01:47:25,580
spokesperson of an agency is considered

2273
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:28,820
the the extension of the voice of that

2274
01:47:33,010 --> 01:47:31,280
agency or if they are the spokesperson

2275
01:47:34,930 --> 01:47:33,020
for a particular person let's say the

2276
01:47:37,149 --> 01:47:34,940
president they are considered the

2277
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:37,159
extension of the voice of the president

2278
01:47:42,669 --> 01:47:39,530
so when Sarah Huckabee Sanders said

2279
01:47:43,899 --> 01:47:42,679
something claimed something it is

2280
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:43,909
considered

2281
01:47:46,959 --> 01:47:45,530
Trump saying that that is how

2282
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:46,969
spokespeople work mm-hmm

2283
01:47:52,359 --> 01:47:49,489
the same is true on an agency level so

2284
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:52,369
for them to put in writing that this is

2285
01:47:57,189 --> 01:47:55,130
the name that isn't a clerical error

2286
01:47:59,439 --> 01:47:57,199
which some have tried to claim oh well

2287
01:48:01,179 --> 01:47:59,449
she just wasn't in the know well I'm

2288
01:48:02,949 --> 01:48:01,189
sorry she is the official spokesperson

2289
01:48:05,649 --> 01:48:02,959
for the Pentagon with the rank of Major

2290
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:05,659
and deals with these topics on a daily

2291
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,159
basis person and she corrected you and

2292
01:48:13,449 --> 01:48:12,320
they corrected me yeah and I and again I

2293
01:48:15,429 --> 01:48:13,459
didn't know it was going to be

2294
01:48:18,969 --> 01:48:15,439
controversial I just said aerospace and

2295
01:48:21,219 --> 01:48:18,979
so as as the time progressed and I posed

2296
01:48:22,449 --> 01:48:21,229
that question a lot of people said yeah

2297
01:48:25,089 --> 01:48:22,459
well what is with that discrepancy

2298
01:48:27,509 --> 01:48:25,099
others attacked but some said hey wait a

2299
01:48:30,339 --> 01:48:27,519
minute well what is with that and I

2300
01:48:32,890 --> 01:48:30,349
believe that mr. Elizondo has said in

2301
01:48:34,750 --> 01:48:32,900
one of his public speeches or an

2302
01:48:36,580 --> 01:48:34,760
interview I'm not sure which one but I

2303
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:36,590
do know that he has said that that is in

2304
01:48:43,899 --> 01:48:40,130
an error that that that it definitely is

2305
01:48:46,419 --> 01:48:43,909
aerospace and not aviation now why is

2306
01:48:48,459 --> 01:48:46,429
this important well to be honest with

2307
01:48:51,310 --> 01:48:48,469
you it does go to credibility of the

2308
01:48:52,989 --> 01:48:51,320
story that if he is the director of the

2309
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:52,999
program and I'm not accusing him of

2310
01:48:56,770 --> 01:48:54,650
anything let me let me say that real

2311
01:48:59,379 --> 01:48:56,780
quick if he is saying that it is

2312
01:49:02,649 --> 01:48:59,389
aerospace and the Pentagon is putting in

2313
01:49:04,419 --> 01:49:02,659
writing no it isn't there's no rhyme or

2314
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:04,429
reason that I have found on why the

2315
01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:07,010
Pentagon would change that one name I I

2316
01:49:11,919 --> 01:49:10,340
can't figure it out I can figure it out

2317
01:49:14,529 --> 01:49:11,929
why it might be embellished on the other

2318
01:49:17,169 --> 01:49:14,539
side I hate to say it but I do have a

2319
01:49:20,140 --> 01:49:17,179
reason why they might embellish it make

2320
01:49:22,060 --> 01:49:20,150
it seem that this program dealt with not

2321
01:49:24,129 --> 01:49:22,070
only things that are flying at twenty

2322
01:49:26,290 --> 01:49:24,139
thirty thousand feet but also possibly

2323
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:26,300
things that are flying in you know near

2324
01:49:31,390 --> 01:49:29,090
space or space itself I can't figure

2325
01:49:33,279 --> 01:49:31,400
that one out why the military would be

2326
01:49:35,770 --> 01:49:33,289
so adamant about saying no it is

2327
01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:35,780
aviation I can't figure out and here's

2328
01:49:41,949 --> 01:49:39,409
why the FOIA will produce documents and

2329
01:49:44,919 --> 01:49:41,959
last week showed me it has now started

2330
01:49:47,229 --> 01:49:44,929
but the FOIA will produce documents that

2331
01:49:49,810 --> 01:49:47,239
involve this program they know that a

2332
01:49:52,509 --> 01:49:49,820
major as a spokesperson for the Pentagon

2333
01:49:54,699 --> 01:49:52,519
is is very very smart

2334
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:54,709
so she is not going to think that she's

2335
01:49:58,959 --> 01:49:56,630
going to put this in writing taking

2336
01:50:01,540 --> 01:49:58,969
gasps Slough everyone offer you know a

2337
01:50:03,879 --> 01:50:01,550
year or two and then just claim

2338
01:50:06,250 --> 01:50:03,889
ignorance when when the real name comes

2339
01:50:08,260 --> 01:50:06,260
out I don't believe that if that's how

2340
01:50:11,050 --> 01:50:08,270
it unfolds I stand corrected

2341
01:50:12,669 --> 01:50:11,060
but I just don't see it so for me it

2342
01:50:14,620 --> 01:50:12,679
goes to the credibility of what are we

2343
01:50:17,290 --> 01:50:14,630
really talking about with this program

2344
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:17,300
the director says one word the Pentagon

2345
01:50:22,330 --> 01:50:19,610
puts in writing another one I've tried

2346
01:50:25,060 --> 01:50:22,340
to clarify with to the stars and try and

2347
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,070
reach mr. Elizondo must be something

2348
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:26,960
that I've said because they don't want

2349
01:50:31,930 --> 01:50:29,840
to talk to me and it really if they're

2350
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:31,940
listening right now and this goes to the

2351
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:34,489
people that even today on Twitter the

2352
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:36,770
last 48 hours have been fairly explosive

2353
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:39,920
with a select few people but if if to

2354
01:50:43,330 --> 01:50:41,330
the stars is listening right now what I

2355
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:43,340
would say and I hope that they know is I

2356
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:48,320
am genuinely interested in why certain

2357
01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:49,520
things are the way they are

2358
01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:51,409
that doesn't mean I'm trying to derail

2359
01:50:55,660 --> 01:50:53,420
their objective that doesn't mean that

2360
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:55,670
I'm trying to you know make them look

2361
01:50:57,879 --> 01:50:56,239
bad

2362
01:51:00,490 --> 01:50:57,889
that doesn't mean I'm questioning

2363
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:00,500
anybody's honor and integrity I mean we

2364
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:01,850
just spent the first hour of your show

2365
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:04,400
talking about whether or not it was a

2366
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,840
lie I'm not really sure but the

2367
01:51:10,419 --> 01:51:07,280
government telling me something that

2368
01:51:12,850 --> 01:51:10,429
wasn't true so I can buy that that's

2369
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,860
okay mm-hmm but the fact that they don't

2370
01:51:17,860 --> 01:51:15,199
want to address not only the name issue

2371
01:51:20,649 --> 01:51:17,870
and that I would say is maybe 5% of my

2372
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:20,659
overall red flag numbers but the fact

2373
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:22,159
that they don't want to address things

2374
01:51:27,370 --> 01:51:24,170
like this not just to me I'm talking

2375
01:51:29,890 --> 01:51:27,380
about to anybody who's asking that to me

2376
01:51:32,290 --> 01:51:29,900
is a red flag in itself the fact that

2377
01:51:35,709 --> 01:51:32,300
the Pentagon will take my call and put

2378
01:51:37,450 --> 01:51:35,719
in writing this that is to me an issue

2379
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:37,460
and something that that needs to be

2380
01:51:44,410 --> 01:51:40,489
dealt with because that goes to the core

2381
01:51:47,169 --> 01:51:44,420
of what this story is all about now

2382
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:47,179
we we're gonna head towards a break

2383
01:51:53,860 --> 01:51:50,210
we've got about eight minutes here to

2384
01:51:56,050 --> 01:51:53,870
set up this single document that you

2385
01:51:59,919 --> 01:51:56,060
received within the last week that we

2386
01:52:03,280 --> 01:51:59,929
are going to discuss but we need to talk

2387
01:52:06,970 --> 01:52:03,290
about where this document came from and

2388
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:06,980
this needs to be seriously discussed the

2389
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:09,440
community needs clarity

2390
01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:12,290
and yeah and we need to discuss what

2391
01:52:18,130 --> 01:52:16,640
intellipedia is and intellipedia freaks

2392
01:52:20,110 --> 01:52:18,140
me out and when you and I were talking

2393
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:20,120
about this last week what did I tell you

2394
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:21,860
I said dude I don't even like to type it

2395
01:52:27,850 --> 01:52:27,170
right because well okay let's just go

2396
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:27,860
right there

2397
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:30,890
what is intellipedia yeah so

2398
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:33,920
intellipedia is actually three systems

2399
01:52:41,050 --> 01:52:37,040
contrary to popular belief it is not one

2400
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:41,060
it is three systems they have a for

2401
01:52:45,940 --> 01:52:43,040
official use only level they have a

2402
01:52:48,850 --> 01:52:45,950
secret level and they have a top secret

2403
01:52:50,290 --> 01:52:48,860
level I'm not trying to Pat myself on

2404
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:50,300
the back but as far as I know I'm

2405
01:52:57,550 --> 01:52:54,170
probably one of the one of the only

2406
01:53:00,340 --> 01:52:57,560
people that have really filed requests

2407
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:00,350
for multiple entries I've got the

2408
01:53:05,230 --> 01:53:03,410
handbook Declassified I've got multiple

2409
01:53:07,950 --> 01:53:05,240
entries I think I kind of hold the

2410
01:53:10,690 --> 01:53:07,960
record for the amount of intellipedia

2411
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:10,700
requests that have gone out I find it a

2412
01:53:16,620 --> 01:53:14,780
very very valuable resource that even

2413
01:53:20,140 --> 01:53:16,630
though sometimes it's hard to access

2414
01:53:21,940 --> 01:53:20,150
through FOIA the results are fascinating

2415
01:53:25,540 --> 01:53:21,950
let's stop right there

2416
01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:25,550
again for clarification who uses

2417
01:53:30,460 --> 01:53:27,980
intellipedia by the way I'm going to

2418
01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:30,470
announce this to the audience when Jon

2419
01:53:35,380 --> 01:53:32,360
and I first we were texting back and

2420
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,390
forth and and he hits me and as soon as

2421
01:53:41,050 --> 01:53:37,520
I read Intelli pedia I immediately

2422
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:41,060
within second said Jon which one right

2423
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:44,210
and remember this and then my response

2424
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:46,310
back was you know what seriously this

2425
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:48,080
freaks me out I don't even I don't even

2426
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:51,650
like texting this or or typing this

2427
01:53:57,370 --> 01:53:54,320
because of who uses this it actually

2428
01:54:01,720 --> 01:53:57,380
frees me out so for the record who uses

2429
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:01,730
intellipedia any one of the theory it is

2430
01:54:07,930 --> 01:54:03,730
it is used by the intelligence community

2431
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:07,940
and you know CIA and NSA and and and I

2432
01:54:11,050 --> 01:54:09,410
believe it extends to some government

2433
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:11,060
contractors with the appropriate

2434
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:14,690
clearances it is used as a resource to

2435
01:54:19,660 --> 01:54:17,840
reference again almost anything you can

2436
01:54:21,780 --> 01:54:19,670
find things on history

2437
01:54:25,660 --> 01:54:21,790
oral projects historical people

2438
01:54:27,370 --> 01:54:25,670
biographies project names I found things

2439
01:54:29,620 --> 01:54:27,380
in there that I never thought would be

2440
01:54:32,770 --> 01:54:29,630
in there and yet there they are one of

2441
01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:32,780
my biggest triumphs under the FOIA with

2442
01:54:38,110 --> 01:54:35,030
this system is getting the number of

2443
01:54:41,979 --> 01:54:38,120
statistics of how many pages and how

2444
01:54:44,410 --> 01:54:41,989
many articles there are and it totals

2445
01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:44,420
millions throughout all three systems it

2446
01:54:49,570 --> 01:54:47,449
is very much identical to what we would

2447
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:49,580
use in the general public as Wikipedia

2448
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:51,590
now of course we all have problems with

2449
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:53,210
Wikipedia in one way or another but

2450
01:54:58,360 --> 01:54:55,340
that's the system that's what Intelli

2451
01:55:00,820 --> 01:54:58,370
pedia is but on a classified level and

2452
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:00,830
internal use for the intelligence

2453
01:55:06,580 --> 01:55:03,530
community as a whole and again it is

2454
01:55:09,130 --> 01:55:06,590
cross-agency now it is run believed by

2455
01:55:11,500 --> 01:55:09,140
the NSA so whenever I do a FOIA request

2456
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:11,510
when it comes to intellipedia I've got

2457
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:14,690
to start with the NSA if it's let's say

2458
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:18,110
it's an Intel appiah entry on the on a

2459
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:21,590
CIA program for example MKULTRA which I

2460
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:24,650
did get Declassified I filed to the NSA

2461
01:55:29,470 --> 01:55:27,199
but then they forward out my request to

2462
01:55:30,910 --> 01:55:29,480
the CIA this is how silly it is if I

2463
01:55:33,459 --> 01:55:30,920
start with the CIA it won't work right

2464
01:55:35,110 --> 01:55:33,469
in my experience you have to start with

2465
01:55:37,450 --> 01:55:35,120
the NSA and then they transfer it out

2466
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:37,460
sometimes the NSA will declassify at

2467
01:55:41,530 --> 01:55:40,310
other times it's called OPR and I know

2468
01:55:44,020 --> 01:55:41,540
that this will come up in the next

2469
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:44,030
segment but OPR is the office of primary

2470
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:47,510
responsibility and OPR the the agency

2471
01:55:51,700 --> 01:55:49,310
that's the OPR is the one that makes the

2472
01:55:54,100 --> 01:55:51,710
decision on what information they're

2473
01:55:56,380 --> 01:55:54,110
going to declassify and so that's that's

2474
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,390
how Intel opee do in a nutshell works

2475
01:56:00,220 --> 01:55:57,920
and under FOIA

2476
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:00,230
you can then request information from

2477
01:56:05,169 --> 01:56:03,050
all three systems and then you know

2478
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:05,179
pending the FOIA exemptions hopefully

2479
01:56:10,780 --> 01:56:08,090
get it Declassified and you are released

2480
01:56:12,610 --> 01:56:10,790
the information and it really does serve

2481
01:56:16,030 --> 01:56:12,620
as not only a valuable resource for me

2482
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:16,040
as a researcher and an investigator but

2483
01:56:21,729 --> 01:56:18,650
just like Wikipedia and this for me is

2484
01:56:24,459 --> 01:56:21,739
the key just like Wikipedia intellipedia

2485
01:56:27,490 --> 01:56:24,469
has a references section in most

2486
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:27,500
articles now as we know references are

2487
01:56:32,689 --> 01:56:30,770
the kind of call backs to other reports

2488
01:56:35,660 --> 01:56:32,699
or other records

2489
01:56:37,609 --> 01:56:35,670
to kind of cite the source and that's

2490
01:56:40,189 --> 01:56:37,619
why I use Intel appear because sometimes

2491
01:56:42,410 --> 01:56:40,199
the entries are very interesting but the

2492
01:56:45,049 --> 01:56:42,420
references then start calling back to

2493
01:56:46,879 --> 01:56:45,059
classified reports that they're pulling

2494
01:56:49,459 --> 01:56:46,889
information from to make that article

2495
01:56:51,290 --> 01:56:49,469
does that make sense yes so then once I

2496
01:56:52,699 --> 01:56:51,300
get that page Declassified I go

2497
01:56:56,989 --> 01:56:52,709
immediately to the references section

2498
01:56:58,879 --> 01:56:56,999
and I find report XYZ created in 1975

2499
01:57:01,640 --> 01:56:58,889
and I go boom that hasn't been out

2500
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:01,650
before file a request and you know I

2501
01:57:06,350 --> 01:57:03,690
just pursue that lead and I go down the

2502
01:57:09,529 --> 01:57:06,360
list and so Intel Appiah is a very

2503
01:57:12,799 --> 01:57:09,539
valuable resource for just that okay

2504
01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:12,809
does it make you nervous walking around

2505
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:15,780
on intellipedia do you do you feel that

2506
01:57:23,029 --> 01:57:19,050
those flags I mean certainly somebody

2507
01:57:25,850 --> 01:57:23,039
knows you're doing it well again this is

2508
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:25,860
just to clarify you can't access

2509
01:57:29,899 --> 01:57:28,050
anything with intellipedia what you have

2510
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:29,909
to do is you have to file a FOIA and

2511
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:32,400
then you get a paper printout of the

2512
01:57:36,469 --> 01:57:34,320
entry after it's been Declassified and

2513
01:57:39,439 --> 01:57:36,479
some some some entries have taken me

2514
01:57:41,149 --> 01:57:39,449
years to get so unlike like the National

2515
01:57:42,649 --> 01:57:41,159
Archives just to compare that to the

2516
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:42,659
beginning part of our conversation right

2517
01:57:47,359 --> 01:57:45,510
you can't you can't sift through even

2518
01:57:50,270 --> 01:57:47,369
the unclassified or for official use

2519
01:57:51,649 --> 01:57:50,280
only level the bottom level you can't

2520
01:57:53,870 --> 01:57:51,659
touch it you came and touch the cover

2521
01:57:56,479 --> 01:57:53,880
page of being a member of the general

2522
01:57:58,549 --> 01:57:56,489
public this is 100 percent strictly for

2523
01:58:00,739 --> 01:57:58,559
the intelligence community and those

2524
01:58:03,649 --> 01:58:00,749
with access within government

2525
01:58:06,379 --> 01:58:03,659
contractors but even then you have to be

2526
01:58:08,750 --> 01:58:06,389
on specific computers that are able to

2527
01:58:11,359 --> 01:58:08,760
access it and then you can log in and

2528
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:11,369
search around I cannot do that this is

2529
01:58:16,339 --> 01:58:14,010
all manual and every time I get an entry

2530
01:58:18,799 --> 01:58:16,349
I then look at the category that that

2531
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:18,809
entry came from I file a FOIA request

2532
01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:21,570
for that specific category and you get

2533
01:58:26,989 --> 01:58:23,940
an index of all pages within it and you

2534
01:58:29,479 --> 01:58:26,999
just keep going so it's a very manual

2535
01:58:31,129 --> 01:58:29,489
process it's pretty tedious but I do

2536
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:31,139
have a big archive where I've collected

2537
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:33,090
literally hundreds and hundreds of pages

2538
01:58:39,739 --> 01:58:36,570
that have been Declassified on all sorts

2539
01:58:42,979 --> 01:58:39,749
of stuff when it comes to secrets and

2540
01:58:44,839 --> 01:58:42,989
programs and so on and so forth okay the

2541
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:44,849
last thing I'll say because I know

2542
01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:46,570
you're on a break yes we are

2543
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:49,329
Oh God the last thing else ya know the

2544
01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:50,650
last thing I'll say really quickly is

2545
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:53,199
that Intel appear holds information on

2546
01:58:58,319 --> 01:58:55,570
pretty much everything you go after so

2547
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:58,329
any program name name piece of

2548
01:59:02,459 --> 01:59:00,639
technology aircraft so on and so forth

2549
01:59:05,729 --> 01:59:02,469
generally it's referenced in the

2550
01:59:07,530 --> 01:59:05,739
millions of pages that I discovered were

2551
01:59:09,689 --> 01:59:07,540
in there and that actually took me an

2552
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:09,699
appeal to get because they denied me

2553
01:59:14,220 --> 01:59:11,440
access and then that then I was able to

2554
01:59:16,020 --> 01:59:14,230
uncover that Intelli pedia had millions

2555
01:59:18,899 --> 01:59:16,030
and millions of pages in it that had

2556
01:59:21,419 --> 01:59:18,909
never been released before okay and what

2557
01:59:23,819 --> 01:59:21,429
this document is how he got it when he

2558
01:59:26,339 --> 01:59:23,829
got it and what it says all of that our

2559
01:59:27,540 --> 01:59:26,349
next this is fade to black or guess

2560
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:27,550
tonight the one of the only John

2561
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:28,690
Greenwald

2562
01:59:32,669 --> 01:59:30,610
the black fault this is fade to black

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I'm yours Jimmy Church we'll get right

2564
01:59:36,530 --> 01:59:35,349
back to that a tip document after this

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short break stay with us

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welcome back pay the black coming up

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super Church you can follow me on

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Twitter at Jay Church radio simple to

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follow John Greenwald the black bolts at

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black vault calm don't ask me where he

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came up with that but what do you mean

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black vault calm he couldn't do a better

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Twitter I mean yeah I know you called me

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out on it last time to and I don't

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disagree it was one of those things

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where you make an email address when

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you're like 15 years old and then you're

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like 28 you have to give that to a new

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boss because you haven't changed it

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right assembly it's a similar thing it

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was originally I was black vault comm

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and then it kind of morphed at the black

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vault combo you know you can't have a

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period so I just did black Volcom I

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wasn't really thinking that it would get

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popular and I regret it now but hey what

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can you do

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yeah I wish you could change a Twitter

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handle but last time I checked you

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couldn't do this yeah you can't do it

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and you know Richard Dolan is rich Dolan

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you know and he did it back he didn't

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even think about it now he's stuck you

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know he's stuck with Wes Dolan on

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Twitter okay so now this this gets into

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golden territory here and so we're going

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to actually get to the part where you

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you found the document but you make one

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statement in your in your posterior on

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the black vault and you say on the 8th

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of January 2018 the NSA told me that

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there are no records responsive to my

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request now I don't care about the no

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records part it's the NSA told me part

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that really freaks me out what do you

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mean I mean what do you mean by that

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well just that I mean I had requested

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because going back to the intellipedia

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explanation pretty much anything of any

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interest to the intelligence community

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is within intellipedia and again I mean

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I've got tons of examples of that so I

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filed a FOIA request for a search not

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only for advanced aviation threat

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identification program but also advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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because again it's controversial who

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knows what it is right so I requested a

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search for those phrases is not only an

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entry but

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so all entries that say those phrases so

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the way that I word the request is even

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though the entry might not say a tip if

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a tip is mentioned in you know project

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XYZ document then it'll come up so I'm

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very careful on how I craft the FOIA

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request to ensure that I get everything

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despite using both names and the acronym

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and so on and so forth they told me that

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a tip both renditions of the name did

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not pier appear at all in the millions

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of pages that were within the system so

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not a single author in any of the

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intelligence community agencies ever

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felt that there was any interest of

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having a tip as part of the system now

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why is this important well one very

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common misconception is while it's too

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classified it's it's too secretive they

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didn't know about it well on the

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contrary that top secret level

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intellipedia has the most highly

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arguably the most highly classified

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programs within it so in Intel opee do

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worlds there is no such thing as too

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classified how can I prove that while

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the Edward Snowden revelations of spying

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on cellphones and the prism program and

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even going back to the days of hecho on

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all of those really highly sensitive

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words come up in my requests some

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entries i've been able to get

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Declassified in part others the NSA

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gives me with what's called a Glomar

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response and a gloma or Glomar response

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is is where they say we can neither

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confirm nor deny that documents exist in

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essence they do but they're really

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classified they don't want to tell you

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about them that's the that's kind of the

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that's kind of the scale for me on when

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it's too classified with a tip they said

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no we have no records

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it doesn't appear however now fast

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forward I filed a different request and

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I wasn't actually going for a tip so I

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was going for Bigelow Aerospace stuff is

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Robert Bigelow is listening I was just

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looking to see what kind of entries

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mentioned your company

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you know it wasn't really anything

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sinister I knew that he was involved

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with a tip but obviously Bigelow

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Aerospace I do a lot of different

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keywords in the searches as a result of

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that request filed after that January

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date quite a few entries and in fact

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they're right here next to my chair I

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haven't even scanned them yet but one of

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which I have which was the UFO entry

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from intellipedia now I had already

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received it in 2014 and it was very kind

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of pathetic because there was not much

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on it in fact I don't think there was

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really anything on it now it came up

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again with Bigelow Aerospace so as I'm

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coming through this foyer responsible

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going why is a UFO entry in here for

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Bigelow Aerospace other than the obvious

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I mean we knew a tip but I already got

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the denial some time and it looks like

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it was December 22nd when they actually

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added it in

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they added a section on a tip in the UFO

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page now they're in intellipedia one of

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the three or all three but there is an

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unidentified flying objects UFO page

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correct and I received it before like I

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said in 2014 no mention of a tip no

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nothing I was and I have that archived

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so if anybody goes to the intellipedia

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page I archived all the previous

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releases and then I'll go after them

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after two years again to see how they

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changed got it until it tel appears

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considered a living breathing document

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so when you go after a document that was

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you know a report or an intelligence

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assessment or whatever

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outside of intellipedia once they're

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published they're published they don't

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more if they don't change intellipedia

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is amazing in the sense that the

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intelligence community they consider it

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a living breathing document what it

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looks like in December of 2017 is

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sometimes different than it will in

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January of 2018 it's kind of exactly

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right it's kind of like a blockchain of

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intelligence community records and so

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it's inserted and is archived correct

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and so and then it changes so so just

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like Wikipedia when you go to a certain

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entry

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it will morph over time and so the UFO

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page morphed and it had a new section

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which obviously mentioned Bigelow

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Aerospace my mind immediately went to

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the obvious because we know Bigelow

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Aerospace took a took a part in a tip

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how big is still debated but they played

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a role in it so I started going through

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the UFO entry and sure enough a new

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heading is now in the entry and it reads

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DoD's advanced aviation threat

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identification program 2007 to 2012 then

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following that heading our three

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paragraphs that are preceded by a

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capital u in parentheses now what does

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that mean that the information within is

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unclassified if it was secret it would

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have an S if it was top-secret it would

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have a PS if it was confidential which

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is the lowest it would have a C that's

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how they kind of differentiate between

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various paragraphs and the

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classifications there are it's a

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fascinating thing probably boring for

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some but I love it because a top-secret

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document can have an unclassified

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paragraph followed by a top-secret one

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right and so it varies on how documents

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are written but there there are forms

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and ways that they have to structure

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these records so three paragraphs all

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unclassified nothing blacked out the

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author wrote about a tip use the word

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aviation and cited the New York Times

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and Politico in the in the opening

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sentence there but mostly referred to

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the New York Times here's why it's

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interesting to me the New York Times

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published the article in December 2017

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as the advanced aerospace threat ID

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program right the problem the

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interesting thing for me here is

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whomever the author is and we don't know

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who it is because that's redacted

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because of for privacy issues but

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whomever the intelligence community

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personnel was that wrote this reverted

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it back to what has been floated by the

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Pentagon is the real name in my opinion

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if they really were site

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the New York Times they would have kept

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it aerospace and even though they are

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citing the New York Times they reverted

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it back to the aviation name why now

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again in my opinion because they have

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clearance you can't access intellipedia

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without certain clearances now even

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though this was unclassified at the very

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bottom of the document the very bottom

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for those that are reading reading

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through it

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the last line says highest possible

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classification is top secret / and then

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some code words and and so on the reason

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why that's important is this probably

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does come from the top secret level of

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in telepathy but none of the information

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in it is top secret so even though the

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the the the overall system is top secret

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within it like I said in a top secret

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document you can have unclassified

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information right that's exactly

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indicative here so whatever whatever

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whomever this was that added it reverted

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that name back to go to your question

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why is that well I'm gonna say because

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it's accurate they're citing a New York

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Times article that said aerospace if

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they were just quoting from that and

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using that as the only reference why

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wouldn't they echo what that news

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article said a cut-and-paste now or cut

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and paste or whatever now again I want

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to stress that the name issue with me is

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a very small percentage of the overall

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picture but to me it is a very important

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point to try and figure out why is there

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this essentially battle between one side

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claiming one word the other side

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claiming not if one side is not telling

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the truth whichever side that is I think

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that's important if the US government is

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is not being truthful and they're

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concealing the information and they're

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hiding things that is very important

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that's a very important part of this of

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this story that they are covering up

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this information and yet we don't have

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an answer to that yet so some of the

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people that I think are really the

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diehard supporters of to the Stars which

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is great I mean I'm glad that they're

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passionate

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but the main attack behind this is who

2934
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:49,519
cares and I'm making a big deal out of

2935
02:15:51,909 --> 02:15:50,239
nothing

2936
02:15:53,529 --> 02:15:51,919
but to me I've been around the block

2937
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:53,539
long enough to know that when somebody

2938
02:15:59,739 --> 02:15:56,570
makes a claim and there's bait errors in

2939
02:16:01,509 --> 02:15:59,749
the claim that to me is indicative that

2940
02:16:03,069 --> 02:16:01,519
there's something else going on whether

2941
02:16:04,810 --> 02:16:03,079
or not the government is to blame and

2942
02:16:06,669 --> 02:16:04,820
they're concealing something or whether

2943
02:16:09,339 --> 02:16:06,679
or not the other side is embellishing to

2944
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:09,349
you know potentially spark investments

2945
02:16:13,959 --> 02:16:11,689
into their corporation I don't know you

2946
02:16:17,080 --> 02:16:13,969
can argue both ways all I'm interested

2947
02:16:19,629 --> 02:16:17,090
in is why and and that is a big point

2948
02:16:22,419 --> 02:16:19,639
but that again is just one of quite a

2949
02:16:25,989 --> 02:16:22,429
few other revelations that have come out

2950
02:16:28,419 --> 02:16:25,999
through FOIA for example denials about

2951
02:16:30,609 --> 02:16:28,429
things that really shouldn't be denied

2952
02:16:32,379 --> 02:16:30,619
based on what mr. Elizondo

2953
02:16:34,959 --> 02:16:32,389
has said I'll give another quick one

2954
02:16:37,389 --> 02:16:34,969
which i think is very important he went

2955
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:37,399
on the record stating that eight have

2956
02:16:41,950 --> 02:16:39,170
received their material from various

2957
02:16:44,439 --> 02:16:41,960
sources including the United States Navy

2958
02:16:46,899 --> 02:16:44,449
and so I filed a FOIA request to the

2959
02:16:49,450 --> 02:16:46,909
United States Navy and I asked for all

2960
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:49,460
documents all videos all records all

2961
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:51,679
communications all everything again I

2962
02:16:57,580 --> 02:16:55,369
get very very specific but I cover all

2963
02:16:58,899 --> 02:16:57,590
the bases of all the information

2964
02:17:02,439 --> 02:16:58,909
transferred from the Department of the

2965
02:17:04,269 --> 02:17:02,449
Navy over to OSD which is the office of

2966
02:17:08,139 --> 02:17:04,279
Secretary of Defense where mr. Elizondo

2967
02:17:11,049 --> 02:17:08,149
worked and having transferred over there

2968
02:17:12,849 --> 02:17:11,059
as part of the a tip program you know

2969
02:17:17,309 --> 02:17:12,859
because obviously if if he's stating

2970
02:17:20,349 --> 02:17:17,319
that they gave him records there are

2971
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:20,359
transmittal slips to transfer that

2972
02:17:24,189 --> 02:17:22,489
information classified or not there are

2973
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:24,199
memos there's communications there's

2974
02:17:28,030 --> 02:17:26,330
letters maybe there's emails all of

2975
02:17:30,250 --> 02:17:28,040
which I asked for from the Department of

2976
02:17:32,589 --> 02:17:30,260
the Navy they denied that they ever had

2977
02:17:35,709 --> 02:17:32,599
any communication with OSD regarding a

2978
02:17:38,259 --> 02:17:35,719
tip at all now why is that yeah you know

2979
02:17:41,229 --> 02:17:38,269
yeah yeah there are there are these

2980
02:17:43,540 --> 02:17:41,239
types of red flags that one side says

2981
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:43,550
one thing the other one says no actually

2982
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:46,010
there is nothing are they all lying is

2983
02:17:50,919 --> 02:17:47,689
this all part of a big conspiracy to

2984
02:17:52,899 --> 02:17:50,929
cover up a tip well maybe then that's

2985
02:17:55,389 --> 02:17:52,909
important that's important too yeah it

2986
02:17:57,009 --> 02:17:55,399
is there is a growing list of these

2987
02:17:58,720 --> 02:17:57,019
unanswered questions that I think are

2988
02:18:01,300 --> 02:17:58,730
are very important

2989
02:18:03,041 --> 02:18:01,310
I wanted to ask you and I can see that

2990
02:18:05,140 --> 02:18:03,051
we're probably gonna do a little

2991
02:18:07,630 --> 02:18:05,150
overtime tonight I'm just watching the

2992
02:18:08,890 --> 02:18:07,640
studio clock click bye too much to talk

2993
02:18:14,770 --> 02:18:08,900
about

2994
02:18:18,130 --> 02:18:14,780
in my little circle there is some

2995
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:18,140
mentions going on out there now that I

2996
02:18:23,880 --> 02:18:20,000
don't know if you're aware of and if you

2997
02:18:27,130 --> 02:18:23,890
are I need your response that that

2998
02:18:30,340 --> 02:18:27,140
weekend or that I should say that time

2999
02:18:32,411 --> 02:18:30,350
frame of this incident happening

3000
02:18:37,210 --> 02:18:32,421
happening off of the coast of San Diego

3001
02:18:40,890 --> 02:18:37,220
that NASA the day before had just

3002
02:18:44,740 --> 02:18:40,900
completed a some type of ramjet

3003
02:18:49,180 --> 02:18:44,750
hypersonic flight test of an engine out

3004
02:18:53,500 --> 02:18:49,190
there that was successful now correct

3005
02:18:59,530 --> 02:18:53,510
you've attacked incidents are the nimitz

3006
02:19:02,411 --> 02:18:59,540
encounter right right now I'm not ok

3007
02:19:05,230 --> 02:19:02,421
what do you know about that and I find

3008
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:05,240
that yeah I don't know if it's if it's a

3009
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:06,770
big deal or not

3010
02:19:13,630 --> 02:19:10,250
but having it happen apparently you know

3011
02:19:17,020 --> 02:19:13,640
a day apart or the same or whatever

3012
02:19:19,600 --> 02:19:17,030
could they be connected and and well

3013
02:19:21,010 --> 02:19:19,610
what have you heard yeah and I don't

3014
02:19:22,541 --> 02:19:21,020
want to come on let me just say this

3015
02:19:24,940 --> 02:19:22,551
real quick I don't want to come off as a

3016
02:19:27,430 --> 02:19:24,950
as a debunker just simply because I'm

3017
02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:27,440
not out to get anybody but to my

3018
02:19:32,110 --> 02:19:28,910
surprise there aren't a whole lot of

3019
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:32,120
people talking about this and I do think

3020
02:19:38,170 --> 02:19:33,530
it's important just because of the

3021
02:19:39,460 --> 02:19:38,180
coincidence of it and the the Nimitz UFO

3022
02:19:41,740 --> 02:19:39,470
encounter which has gotten a lot of

3023
02:19:43,930 --> 02:19:41,750
press and a lot of played commander

3024
02:19:46,690 --> 02:19:43,940
flavor was was obviously interviewed

3025
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:46,700
quite a bit and and I have a lot of

3026
02:19:50,501 --> 02:19:47,930
respect for the men and women of the

3027
02:19:52,690 --> 02:19:50,511
military so this is not against him but

3028
02:19:54,930 --> 02:19:52,700
they they they're saying that the Nimitz

3029
02:19:57,480 --> 02:19:54,940
UFO encounter happened on 14 November

3030
02:19:59,740 --> 02:19:57,490
2004 off the coast of San Diego and

3031
02:20:02,621 --> 02:19:59,750
what's not really talked about I'm

3032
02:20:04,570 --> 02:20:02,631
really kind of surprised is around that

3033
02:20:09,251 --> 02:20:04,580
same time frame it's actually within 48

3034
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,261
hours the X 43 which was NASA's scramjet

3035
02:20:14,679 --> 02:20:11,600
did a test flight

3036
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:14,689
they actually crushed the world record

3037
02:20:21,399 --> 02:20:18,080
they hit Mach 10 at seven thousand seven

3038
02:20:26,130 --> 02:20:21,409
thousand miles an hour and they tested

3039
02:20:29,679 --> 02:20:26,140
this thing that very same time frame and

3040
02:20:31,599 --> 02:20:29,689
the again the the the the difference was

3041
02:20:33,550 --> 02:20:31,609
about 48 hours from what has been

3042
02:20:37,059 --> 02:20:33,560
published as the nimitz encounter and

3043
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:37,069
the actual test of the x-43 now the

3044
02:20:41,679 --> 02:20:39,680
reason why i bring this up is of all the

3045
02:20:44,229 --> 02:20:41,689
gin joints in all the world

3046
02:20:47,139 --> 02:20:44,239
the x-43 was tested off the coast of

3047
02:20:48,820 --> 02:20:47,149
california mmm now it's considered off

3048
02:20:50,320 --> 02:20:48,830
the coast of Los Angeles but obviously

3049
02:20:52,420 --> 02:20:50,330
if you're going 7,000 miles an hour

3050
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:52,430
you're not only going to be seen from

3051
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:54,170
Malibu you know what I mean I mean

3052
02:20:58,300 --> 02:20:56,090
you're going to be seen quite quite a

3053
02:21:00,609 --> 02:20:58,310
distance now am i saying that that's

3054
02:21:02,530 --> 02:21:00,619
what the tic-tac encounter was no I mean

3055
02:21:05,290 --> 02:21:02,540
just based on the date there's a

3056
02:21:06,849 --> 02:21:05,300
difference there but what I am saying is

3057
02:21:09,790 --> 02:21:06,859
a possibility is there could have been

3058
02:21:12,969 --> 02:21:09,800
other tests leading up to the test of

3059
02:21:14,679 --> 02:21:12,979
the x-43 were they testing other models

3060
02:21:17,740 --> 02:21:14,689
where they you know again the

3061
02:21:20,229 --> 02:21:17,750
coincidence of such an amazing UFO

3062
02:21:23,609 --> 02:21:20,239
encounter and the pilot seeing something

3063
02:21:27,519 --> 02:21:23,619
as he reported traveling at such great

3064
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:27,529
speed within a 48-hour period NASA's

3065
02:21:31,420 --> 02:21:29,449
testing a Mach 10 aircraft and almost

3066
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:31,430
the same area right that to me is

3067
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:33,170
something that we need to look at we

3068
02:21:38,740 --> 02:21:36,080
need to at least rule it out that NASA

3069
02:21:41,320 --> 02:21:38,750
wasn't testing pre testing something

3070
02:21:43,059 --> 02:21:41,330
and again I'm guessing here I don't have

3071
02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:43,069
any documentation to support this part

3072
02:21:48,639 --> 02:21:46,489
but what if they had you know some other

3073
02:21:51,250 --> 02:21:48,649
tests going on to make sure they didn't

3074
02:21:53,109 --> 02:21:51,260
embarrass themselves come to 16th when

3075
02:21:56,050 --> 02:21:53,119
they put the X 43 in flight what if they

3076
02:21:58,540 --> 02:21:56,060
did some lower level maybe not Mach 10

3077
02:22:00,609 --> 02:21:58,550
but but but very high speed aircraft at

3078
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:00,619
a lower level just to see how they were

3079
02:22:06,370 --> 02:22:03,920
going to do on the 16th and could that

3080
02:22:08,500 --> 02:22:06,380
have landed on the 14th because again

3081
02:22:11,139 --> 02:22:08,510
that area that general vicinity was the

3082
02:22:13,780 --> 02:22:11,149
same now again I sell I mean I cringe

3083
02:22:16,180 --> 02:22:13,790
when I bring this up because I know

3084
02:22:17,950 --> 02:22:16,190
people are right hey your your debunking

3085
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:17,960
your going after these Pichon that's not

3086
02:22:24,730 --> 02:22:20,930
the case that's not the case and no but

3087
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,740
I fear it you know Wow look it's okay we

3088
02:22:29,530 --> 02:22:26,720
we need to look at everything I had

3089
02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:29,540
heard that it was the day before you're

3090
02:22:34,810 --> 02:22:32,930
saying it's a 48-hour window and there's

3091
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:34,820
there's a NASA press release not to

3092
02:22:38,650 --> 02:22:36,530
interrupt you real quick it's documented

3093
02:22:40,420 --> 02:22:38,660
on a NASA press release that the exact

3094
02:22:45,810 --> 02:22:40,430
number if anybody wants to Google it is

3095
02:22:48,610 --> 02:22:45,820
NASA press release 0 4 - 3 7 3 and it

3096
02:22:51,370 --> 02:22:48,620
documents what NASA did now and that is

3097
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:51,380
irrefutable there's no there's there's

3098
02:22:55,900 --> 02:22:53,330
no guessing on that that is irrefutable

3099
02:22:58,990 --> 02:22:55,910
that on the 16th they they broke Mach 10

3100
02:23:03,220 --> 02:22:59,000
now let's just suppose here for a second

3101
02:23:06,250 --> 02:23:03,230
that flavor or any pilot right in the

3102
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:06,260
Navy happens to witness something like

3103
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:11,170
this and and maybe gets it on radar or a

3104
02:23:15,940 --> 02:23:14,450
missile for you know some type of a Navy

3105
02:23:18,520 --> 02:23:15,950
ship is out there and they picked this

3106
02:23:19,690 --> 02:23:18,530
up too as well and ripping at this kind

3107
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:19,700
of speed they wouldn't know what they

3108
02:23:25,780 --> 02:23:23,450
were looking at right they and yeah and

3109
02:23:28,540 --> 02:23:25,790
that's not a negative insult and I agree

3110
02:23:31,810 --> 02:23:28,550
with you they're not gonna know what it

3111
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:31,820
is if I thought if I saw it I wouldn't

3112
02:23:37,150 --> 02:23:34,010
know you know and that's a that's a

3113
02:23:39,550 --> 02:23:37,160
crazy thing to have seen but I find it

3114
02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:39,560
fast with the first time that I heard

3115
02:23:42,850 --> 02:23:40,850
about this John I'm just gonna be

3116
02:23:46,960 --> 02:23:42,860
straight with everybody out there just

3117
02:23:48,700 --> 02:23:46,970
like whoa wait a minute here ok all

3118
02:23:51,820 --> 02:23:48,710
right that's all you got to do we just

3119
02:23:53,980 --> 02:23:51,830
gotta stop and analyze all of this but

3120
02:23:55,930 --> 02:23:53,990
that is that is something that's going

3121
02:23:59,020 --> 02:23:55,940
on out there and and we should all just

3122
02:24:01,420 --> 02:23:59,030
take a look at it and and you know see

3123
02:24:04,210 --> 02:24:01,430
where this goes it's a very fascinating

3124
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:04,220
point now there was a something else

3125
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:06,080
that I wanted to ask you have anything

3126
02:24:11,650 --> 02:24:08,450
you wanted to add to that there's

3127
02:24:14,020 --> 02:24:11,660
something else I needed to ask you know

3128
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,030
I for me that the final thought would be

3129
02:24:19,150 --> 02:24:15,920
the the it's not every day the military

3130
02:24:21,940 --> 02:24:19,160
is testing Mach 10 aircraft right and so

3131
02:24:24,220 --> 02:24:21,950
for it to happen within that 48 hour

3132
02:24:25,850 --> 02:24:24,230
window I know you said you heard 24 it's

3133
02:24:27,650 --> 02:24:25,860
possible because I

3134
02:24:29,211 --> 02:24:27,660
how documented that the nimitz encounter

3135
02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:29,221
was on the fourteenth I believe that has

3136
02:24:33,410 --> 02:24:31,110
been the published date maybe that is

3137
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:33,420
confirmed as the the the the you know

3138
02:24:37,730 --> 02:24:35,250
the date that it all happened

3139
02:24:41,211 --> 02:24:37,740
but regardless 48 hours even 72 hours

3140
02:24:42,740 --> 02:24:41,221
the fact that NASA did this Mach 10 test

3141
02:24:45,530 --> 02:24:42,750
and that doesn't happen all the time and

3142
02:24:47,570 --> 02:24:45,540
it's in a very close vicinity to the

3143
02:24:50,450 --> 02:24:47,580
Nimitz and San Diego when you're

3144
02:24:52,220 --> 02:24:50,460
traveling Mach 10 I don't know the mass

3145
02:24:54,980 --> 02:24:52,230
off the top of my head but la the San

3146
02:24:57,320 --> 02:24:54,990
Diego is is probably you know pretty

3147
02:24:59,301 --> 02:24:57,330
attainable so the fact that it's in that

3148
02:25:01,131 --> 02:24:59,311
vicinity is something that I think we

3149
02:25:04,131 --> 02:25:01,141
should look at and at least rule it out

3150
02:25:06,501 --> 02:25:04,141
as being something that was just a

3151
02:25:09,230 --> 02:25:06,511
really crazy coincidence that a UFO

3152
02:25:11,211 --> 02:25:09,240
encounter of a high-speed UFO was seen

3153
02:25:13,761 --> 02:25:11,221
at the same time that humans we're

3154
02:25:16,490 --> 02:25:13,771
testing a Mach 10 very high speed 7,000

3155
02:25:18,110 --> 02:25:16,500
mile an hour scramjet I I think that

3156
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:18,120
that's something that we need to look at

3157
02:25:26,680 --> 02:25:20,610
and potentially rule out can I keep you

3158
02:25:30,551 --> 02:25:26,690
for another 10 minutes yeah exactly

3159
02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:30,561
because there is something else that

3160
02:25:37,310 --> 02:25:34,370
look this isn't some type of a TT si

3161
02:25:40,190 --> 02:25:37,320
bashing Jos not about that at all but it

3162
02:25:44,381 --> 02:25:40,200
is about reporting the news and a couple

3163
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:44,391
of weeks ago we we got elizondo's

3164
02:25:52,910 --> 02:25:49,200
resignation letter was was downloaded

3165
02:25:54,620 --> 02:25:52,920
off of Chris Mullins website which has

3166
02:25:57,560 --> 02:25:54,630
since been taken down I don't know if

3167
02:26:00,230 --> 02:25:57,570
it's back up but the website was taken

3168
02:26:03,921 --> 02:26:00,240
down now that being said that wasn't the

3169
02:26:07,761 --> 02:26:03,931
only thing that was grabbed off of the

3170
02:26:10,310 --> 02:26:07,771
site and I've got all of the stuff here

3171
02:26:11,421 --> 02:26:10,320
I haven't shared any of it publicly I

3172
02:26:14,511 --> 02:26:11,431
haven't talked about it

3173
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:14,521
I do have the names list I've got that

3174
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:17,490
I've got a couple of other things and it

3175
02:26:26,060 --> 02:26:22,410
was apparently available for anybody to

3176
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:26,070
download or have access to I'm gonna ask

3177
02:26:33,140 --> 02:26:29,130
you is that is that a mistake on melons

3178
02:26:37,461 --> 02:26:33,150
part or was it was it there to be

3179
02:26:38,530 --> 02:26:37,471
discovered well that's a question that

3180
02:26:41,230 --> 02:26:38,540
you're going to have to

3181
02:26:42,820 --> 02:26:41,240
ask him in my personal opinion if I

3182
02:26:45,940 --> 02:26:42,830
would have to venture a guess it was a

3183
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:45,950
mistake and in my opinion a rather big

3184
02:26:47,850 --> 02:26:46,370
one

3185
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:47,860
simply because you do have that

3186
02:26:53,050 --> 02:26:50,570
confidential information of the pilots

3187
02:26:55,960 --> 02:26:53,060
so they obviously released kind of the

3188
02:26:58,270 --> 02:26:55,970
breakdown of the Nimitz personnel that

3189
02:27:00,520 --> 02:26:58,280
they had talked to but they had redacted

3190
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:00,530
the names and redacted phone numbers and

3191
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:02,810
emails and obviously and rightfully so

3192
02:27:07,450 --> 02:27:05,600
and yet this document was unredacted it

3193
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:07,460
was like a big oops that everything was

3194
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:09,830
there so I I do believe that that was a

3195
02:27:14,350 --> 02:27:11,930
mistake I don't believe all of the names

3196
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:14,360
on that list want to be contacted by any

3197
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:16,850
Joe Schmo that's out there that wants to

3198
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:19,370
ask I'm a UFO question one of the other

3199
02:27:23,560 --> 02:27:20,960
things that you mentioned was the

3200
02:27:25,870 --> 02:27:23,570
Elizondo resignation letter that mr.

3201
02:27:27,970 --> 02:27:25,880
Elizondo had submitted this was quoted

3202
02:27:29,890 --> 02:27:27,980
in the New York Times I do not believe

3203
02:27:31,780 --> 02:27:29,900
and correct me if I'm wrong that they

3204
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:31,790
have spoken out that that is legitimate

3205
02:27:36,910 --> 02:27:34,010
or not I don't have a doubt that it's

3206
02:27:39,070 --> 02:27:36,920
legitimate I have concerns about it but

3207
02:27:40,420 --> 02:27:39,080
I will tell you a quick one because I'm

3208
02:27:42,670 --> 02:27:40,430
guessing you're coming up on a break but

3209
02:27:45,490 --> 02:27:42,680
I filed a FOIA request based on the New

3210
02:27:47,980 --> 02:27:45,500
York Times reference for mr. elizondo's

3211
02:27:50,590 --> 02:27:47,990
resignation letter I was given a no

3212
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:50,600
records response now you can read into

3213
02:27:55,150 --> 02:27:52,640
that what you will I want to be fair

3214
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:55,160
here and say that there is a huge legal

3215
02:28:01,420 --> 02:27:58,160
debate on whether or not resignation

3216
02:28:02,830 --> 02:28:01,430
letters are subject to the FOIA and it

3217
02:28:06,310 --> 02:28:02,840
has been argued in the Supreme Court

3218
02:28:08,380 --> 02:28:06,320
when Donald Rumsfeld resigned they under

3219
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:08,390
FOIA including myself we went after it

3220
02:28:12,850 --> 02:28:11,090
many many years ago and it was denied

3221
02:28:14,620 --> 02:28:12,860
and I went to the Supreme Court and they

3222
02:28:16,780 --> 02:28:14,630
argued that it's considered a personal

3223
02:28:18,250 --> 02:28:16,790
document I want to add to the story

3224
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:18,260
though and I've never talked about this

3225
02:28:22,170 --> 02:28:19,610
and I haven't published it yet but I

3226
02:28:24,820 --> 02:28:22,180
figured since you brought it up why not

3227
02:28:27,880 --> 02:28:24,830
even though a resignation letter is not

3228
02:28:31,480 --> 02:28:27,890
subject to the FOIA emails are so I

3229
02:28:34,180 --> 02:28:31,490
filed a request for a search of all of

3230
02:28:38,050 --> 02:28:34,190
James Madison's emails the Secretary of

3231
02:28:41,250 --> 02:28:38,060
Defense and I used only a single keyword

3232
02:28:44,710 --> 02:28:41,260
to be searched from January 1st of 2017

3233
02:28:47,230 --> 02:28:44,720
through I believe I've sent it in March

3234
02:28:48,940 --> 02:28:47,240
of 2018 it was in 2018 I just don't

3235
02:28:51,250 --> 02:28:48,950
remember what month regardless though

3236
02:28:52,090 --> 02:28:51,260
the single key word I asked to be

3237
02:28:56,170 --> 02:28:52,100
searched was

3238
02:28:59,769 --> 02:28:56,180
and oh so any email that was PC CDC -

3239
02:29:02,170 --> 02:28:59,779
from sent trashed anything with that

3240
02:29:05,080 --> 02:29:02,180
keyword in whatever way that it would

3241
02:29:07,660 --> 02:29:05,090
appear was subject to my FOIA request I

3242
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:07,670
got a no records response okay let's

3243
02:29:12,219 --> 02:29:09,170
take a break right there

3244
02:29:16,090 --> 02:29:12,229
because I want to know why and I want to

3245
02:29:17,530 --> 02:29:16,100
discuss the resignation letter and we're

3246
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:17,540
gonna do that when we come back the

3247
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resignation letter it was just it was

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funky on a lot of different levels and

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John and I have debated this personally

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we'll continue the debate we're on two

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doing overtime with John Green ball the

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black bolts saw that coming so much to

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discuss when it came to the Japan

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Airlines 1628 it's just an amazing UFO

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02:34:40,670 --> 02:34:38,520
encounter and having John seriously back

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02:34:43,540 --> 02:34:40,680
over stumble over those documents that

3346
02:34:46,580 --> 02:34:43,550
present those to the community is just

3347
02:34:50,630 --> 02:34:46,590
absolutely incredible so we we did that

3348
02:34:55,309 --> 02:34:50,640
but going over a tip and having only one

3349
02:35:00,380 --> 02:34:55,319
singular document surface and having

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02:35:05,540 --> 02:35:00,390
that in the intelligence references of

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02:35:07,610 --> 02:35:05,550
the intelligence community is remarkable

3352
02:35:11,410 --> 02:35:07,620
it's just absolutely remarkable but now

3353
02:35:15,260 --> 02:35:11,420
we're talking about the Elizondo

3354
02:35:18,440 --> 02:35:15,270
resignation letter now John and I just

3355
02:35:20,210 --> 02:35:18,450
John I'm just going to throw us both

3356
02:35:23,450 --> 02:35:20,220
under the bus a little bit John and I

3357
02:35:25,790 --> 02:35:23,460
had a very spirited conversation that

3358
02:35:30,849 --> 02:35:25,800
lasted probably for an hour or two on

3359
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:30,859
the phone about this document now John

3360
02:35:36,979 --> 02:35:34,410
said to me at that time it's real what I

3361
02:35:41,179 --> 02:35:36,989
had said then and I'll say it again

3362
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:41,189
publicly John if it's real that's fine

3363
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:45,680
but I there is no way that anybody

3364
02:35:52,639 --> 02:35:49,680
outside of to the Stars or Lewis

3365
02:35:55,870 --> 02:35:52,649
Elizondo but no but that letter was

3366
02:35:58,490 --> 02:35:55,880
never sent and never read by anybody

3367
02:36:03,469 --> 02:35:58,500
concerning a resignation there is just

3368
02:36:06,650 --> 02:36:03,479
no way it's it's yeah I can't it's an

3369
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:06,660
embarrassment if it was sent and and I

3370
02:36:10,729 --> 02:36:08,130
have my reasons for that but I just

3371
02:36:12,440 --> 02:36:10,739
don't think anybody ever read it yeah

3372
02:36:15,139 --> 02:36:12,450
and I want to be fair here and accurate

3373
02:36:16,910 --> 02:36:15,149
I said I believe it's real I don't know

3374
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:16,920
for a fact if it is it wouldn't surprise

3375
02:36:21,979 --> 02:36:18,810
me if it was the quotes from the New

3376
02:36:24,740 --> 02:36:21,989
York Times did accurately quote from it

3377
02:36:26,420 --> 02:36:24,750
so whether or not it's real and really

3378
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:26,430
his resignation letter I do believe that

3379
02:36:30,290 --> 02:36:28,050
it is real in the sense that that's what

3380
02:36:32,421 --> 02:36:30,300
the New York Times was given

3381
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,431
again with that FOIA request coming up-

3382
02:36:37,551 --> 02:36:35,280
when I was seeking through the the email

3383
02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:37,561
process was not necessarily the

3384
02:36:40,430 --> 02:36:38,880
resignation letter because he could have

3385
02:36:43,070 --> 02:36:40,440
just put that on some of these desk and

3386
02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:43,080
and not emailed it so I want to be fair

3387
02:36:48,860 --> 02:36:46,170
there however what really surprised me

3388
02:36:51,921 --> 02:36:48,870
was that mr. elizondo's name did not

3389
02:36:54,890 --> 02:36:51,931
come up on a single letter to the man

3390
02:36:57,381 --> 02:36:54,900
that he resigned to and nor did it come

3391
02:37:01,100 --> 02:36:57,391
up even after he started talking

3392
02:37:03,591 --> 02:37:01,110
publicly in October of 2017 nor did it

3393
02:37:06,740 --> 02:37:03,601
come up after the avalanche of media

3394
02:37:09,261 --> 02:37:06,750
publicity in December of 2017

3395
02:37:12,921 --> 02:37:09,271
my whole argument with that is is

3396
02:37:14,660 --> 02:37:12,931
there's something going on here that

3397
02:37:17,301 --> 02:37:14,670
doesn't make any sense you would think

3398
02:37:18,980 --> 02:37:17,311
that if mr. Elizondo is making the

3399
02:37:21,320 --> 02:37:18,990
claims that he is and I'm not saying

3400
02:37:23,810 --> 02:37:21,330
they're not truthful but I'm saying with

3401
02:37:26,900 --> 02:37:23,820
those types of claims and that he wrote

3402
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:26,910
a resignation letter to secretary

3403
02:37:33,740 --> 02:37:30,000
Madison as he said that he did why

3404
02:37:36,530 --> 02:37:33,750
wouldn't there be a single email in more

3405
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,540
than a year in the guy's email box that

3406
02:37:40,761 --> 02:37:38,880
supports anything well somebody said to

3407
02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:40,771
me somebody said to me

3408
02:37:47,711 --> 02:37:44,160
a couple of weeks ago and I got an email

3409
02:37:54,890 --> 02:37:47,721
from somebody that maybe Louis

3410
02:37:57,740 --> 02:37:54,900
hand-delivered it letter short but again

3411
02:37:59,211 --> 02:37:57,750
with with his position and what he was

3412
02:38:01,820 --> 02:37:59,221
doing not only with a tip but he

3413
02:38:06,020 --> 02:38:01,830
obviously stuck around from 2012 to

3414
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:06,030
October of 2017 my question and this is

3415
02:38:10,310 --> 02:38:08,250
this isn't a list of questions that I

3416
02:38:13,131 --> 02:38:10,320
would have if he was off he was on with

3417
02:38:15,650 --> 02:38:13,141
me right now is what were you doing

3418
02:38:17,301 --> 02:38:15,660
because it wasn't a tip and if it was I

3419
02:38:20,511 --> 02:38:17,311
want to know how they circumvented

3420
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:20,521
funding it and and all the audits and

3421
02:38:24,261 --> 02:38:22,650
inspector general reports where they're

3422
02:38:26,570 --> 02:38:24,271
looking at where this money is going to

3423
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:26,580
and from and that to me is one of the

3424
02:38:32,631 --> 02:38:28,530
bigger flaws in this story let's just

3425
02:38:34,730 --> 02:38:32,641
put the name debate aside because you

3426
02:38:36,801 --> 02:38:34,740
know there's you can argue both ways so

3427
02:38:40,490 --> 02:38:36,811
let's put that debate aside if he is

3428
02:38:43,131 --> 02:38:40,500
taking money from other projects which I

3429
02:38:43,580 --> 02:38:43,141
believe he has said and I know he has

3430
02:38:45,560 --> 02:38:43,590
where he

3431
02:38:47,389 --> 02:38:45,570
saying that we were able to fund it

3432
02:38:50,750 --> 02:38:47,399
through other projects and this and that

3433
02:38:53,780 --> 02:38:50,760
and continue a tip from 2012 on my

3434
02:38:56,090 --> 02:38:53,790
question is how did he circumvent every

3435
02:38:58,310 --> 02:38:56,100
audit and the prying eyes of the

3436
02:39:02,450 --> 02:38:58,320
Inspector General Office because you

3437
02:39:06,200 --> 02:39:02,460
just can't you can't reappropriation x'

3438
02:39:08,660 --> 02:39:06,210
from one project to another at his level

3439
02:39:10,900 --> 02:39:08,670
I don't even think secretary mattis

3440
02:39:13,550 --> 02:39:10,910
could do something like that without

3441
02:39:16,750 --> 02:39:13,560
approvals and and so on and so forth

3442
02:39:19,219 --> 02:39:16,760
when it comes to fund appropriations and

3443
02:39:21,679 --> 02:39:19,229
according to his story and this is where

3444
02:39:23,660 --> 02:39:21,689
it starts to fall apart for me is that

3445
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:23,670
the a tip continued and it was still

3446
02:39:27,889 --> 02:39:25,170
going on and they were still doing this

3447
02:39:30,620 --> 02:39:27,899
well how did they fund it if it ended in

3448
02:39:33,050 --> 02:39:30,630
2012 because mr. Elizondo did say that

3449
02:39:34,670 --> 02:39:33,060
yes well the main funding ended in 2012

3450
02:39:38,179 --> 02:39:34,680
but we were able to find money from

3451
02:39:40,460 --> 02:39:38,189
other projects my big question is then

3452
02:39:42,590 --> 02:39:40,470
who were you with in the Pentagon and

3453
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:42,600
what were you really doing from 2012 to

3454
02:39:47,240 --> 02:39:45,210
2017 and how did you circumvent all

3455
02:39:49,010 --> 02:39:47,250
those processes because yeah the

3456
02:39:51,530 --> 02:39:49,020
government has has made some really bad

3457
02:39:54,050 --> 02:39:51,540
mistakes with money but I'm sorry they

3458
02:39:56,090 --> 02:39:54,060
do watch it you know I mean there there

3459
02:39:59,420 --> 02:39:56,100
there is a checks and balances system

3460
02:40:02,420 --> 02:39:59,430
and so that's where I feel a bigger flaw

3461
02:40:05,150 --> 02:40:02,430
in the story is that I feel many people

3462
02:40:08,660 --> 02:40:05,160
just overlooked because it's easier to

3463
02:40:11,240 --> 02:40:08,670
believe that the Pentagon had a top

3464
02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:11,250
secret UFO program because it leads into

3465
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:14,130
the belief of many of us in pop culture

3466
02:40:19,550 --> 02:40:17,130
we want to believe that it's easier to

3467
02:40:22,429 --> 02:40:19,560
just say it's all the truth I told you

3468
02:40:24,620 --> 02:40:22,439
they've been researching UFOs the reason

3469
02:40:27,290 --> 02:40:24,630
why I am skeptical not trying to be a

3470
02:40:29,929 --> 02:40:27,300
debunk or skeptic but skeptical and I

3471
02:40:33,320 --> 02:40:29,939
have questions is the fact that I want

3472
02:40:35,960 --> 02:40:33,330
to make sure because I've devoted 22

3473
02:40:38,090 --> 02:40:35,970
years plus of my life to it I want to

3474
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:38,100
make sure that the information is

3475
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:39,050
accurate

3476
02:40:43,849 --> 02:40:41,760
Newsweek just came out with an expose on

3477
02:40:46,219 --> 02:40:43,859
to the Stars Academy and got into mr.

3478
02:40:48,830 --> 02:40:46,229
Elizondo and you know Tom DeLonge and

3479
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:48,840
everybody and and and so on and they did

3480
02:40:53,420 --> 02:40:51,120
I believe a very fair piece and if you

3481
02:40:55,460 --> 02:40:53,430
haven't seen it check it out but my

3482
02:40:56,120 --> 02:40:55,470
point with this and bringing it up is

3483
02:40:58,520 --> 02:40:56,130
the

3484
02:41:00,620 --> 02:40:58,530
peace was not a oh my gosh look at this

3485
02:41:02,540 --> 02:41:00,630
this was definitely a top secret UFO

3486
02:41:06,200 --> 02:41:02,550
program and they have meta materials

3487
02:41:08,660 --> 02:41:06,210
that are probably alien right the

3488
02:41:10,910 --> 02:41:08,670
journalists are looking at this and not

3489
02:41:11,900 --> 02:41:10,920
doing follow-up stories nobody can argue

3490
02:41:13,730 --> 02:41:11,910
with me on that one

3491
02:41:17,360 --> 02:41:13,740
you know why hasn't the New York Times

3492
02:41:19,880 --> 02:41:17,370
done 16 stories since December of 2017

3493
02:41:22,370 --> 02:41:19,890
you would think that they would put the

3494
02:41:24,170 --> 02:41:22,380
effort that they are on you know the the

3495
02:41:27,410 --> 02:41:24,180
political stories of the day because

3496
02:41:31,100 --> 02:41:27,420
this is an amazing story but they're not

3497
02:41:33,170 --> 02:41:31,110
and I want to know why and I believe if

3498
02:41:35,929 --> 02:41:33,180
I had to guess it's because the

3499
02:41:38,990 --> 02:41:35,939
information is not there to continue to

3500
02:41:40,250 --> 02:41:39,000
support reporting on it at this point if

3501
02:41:42,860 --> 02:41:40,260
they come out with something tomorrow

3502
02:41:45,620 --> 02:41:42,870
that totally blows all those skeptical

3503
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:45,630
questions away awesome he claims he has

3504
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:48,090
evidence that the DoD released the three

3505
02:41:52,910 --> 02:41:50,610
videos that they have the DoD says no

3506
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:52,920
they didn't I want to know why isn't he

3507
02:41:57,020 --> 02:41:54,810
showing that evidence so when you

3508
02:41:59,090 --> 02:41:57,030
conceal evidence not from the government

3509
02:42:01,280 --> 02:41:59,100
side but from this public benefit

3510
02:42:03,110 --> 02:42:01,290
corporation they're concealing that

3511
02:42:04,280 --> 02:42:03,120
evidence they've chosen not to show it

3512
02:42:06,980 --> 02:42:04,290
right that's not me

3513
02:42:08,690 --> 02:42:06,990
laying the accusation that's real they

3514
02:42:11,060 --> 02:42:08,700
claim they have evidence to disprove

3515
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:11,070
what the government says but they will

3516
02:42:17,300 --> 02:42:14,850
not show you I cannot figure out why the

3517
02:42:19,010 --> 02:42:17,310
only reason the only reason I can I can

3518
02:42:21,800 --> 02:42:19,020
say that they are not showing it is

3519
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:21,810
because there's nothing to show that may

3520
02:42:25,639 --> 02:42:23,760
sound mean but that's the only thing I

3521
02:42:29,270 --> 02:42:25,649
can come up with I don't know I don't

3522
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:29,280
know what damage it would do if they

3523
02:42:33,380 --> 02:42:30,720
came out and said you know what the

3524
02:42:35,420 --> 02:42:33,390
government is telling John and and other

3525
02:42:36,590 --> 02:42:35,430
news agencies because they have put it

3526
02:42:39,080 --> 02:42:36,600
in writing they have made official

3527
02:42:43,490 --> 02:42:39,090
statements we did not release those

3528
02:42:45,889 --> 02:42:43,500
videos if mr. Elizondo has a authentic

3529
02:42:48,650 --> 02:42:45,899
document that he says he does that

3530
02:42:50,600 --> 02:42:48,660
proves they released the video that will

3531
02:42:53,240 --> 02:42:50,610
do nothing but benefit to the Stars

3532
02:42:54,380 --> 02:42:53,250
Academy and put this to bed and yet in

3533
02:42:56,480 --> 02:42:54,390
almost a year

3534
02:42:59,690 --> 02:42:56,490
they haven't done it and I don't know

3535
02:43:02,210 --> 02:42:59,700
why I can't I it's one of them many red

3536
02:43:05,150 --> 02:43:02,220
flags that I've brought up but that to

3537
02:43:07,460 --> 02:43:05,160
me is a big one and if you're a public

3538
02:43:08,810 --> 02:43:07,470
benefit corporation and I mean this

3539
02:43:09,710 --> 02:43:08,820
respectfully so if those guys are

3540
02:43:11,809 --> 02:43:09,720
listening I mean

3541
02:43:13,700 --> 02:43:11,819
respectfully but if you want to tell the

3542
02:43:15,889 --> 02:43:13,710
UFO community that you are a public

3543
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:15,899
benefit corporation you are not

3544
02:43:19,940 --> 02:43:17,760
benefiting the public by concealing that

3545
02:43:22,940 --> 02:43:19,950
information because you're withholding

3546
02:43:24,740 --> 02:43:22,950
the truth about a topic that you said

3547
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:24,750
had too much secrecy in the beginning

3548
02:43:29,599 --> 02:43:26,880
and that that's why you founded this

3549
02:43:31,969 --> 02:43:29,609
public benefit corporation so why

3550
02:43:34,040 --> 02:43:31,979
continue the narrative I've dealt with

3551
02:43:35,780 --> 02:43:34,050
this for over two decades of secrecy I

3552
02:43:37,969 --> 02:43:35,790
don't need it from a public benefit

3553
02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:37,979
corporation I don't you know we don't

3554
02:43:42,889 --> 02:43:40,170
need more of the same if they have the

3555
02:43:45,469 --> 02:43:42,899
proof awesome let's join hands

3556
02:43:47,090 --> 02:43:45,479
let's show even more evidence that the

3557
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,100
government is concealing the truth and

3558
02:43:51,139 --> 02:43:49,200
let's let's move on let's see what else

3559
02:43:53,059 --> 02:43:51,149
we can do but I think that concealment

3560
02:43:57,080 --> 02:43:53,069
is doing more harm than good at this

3561
02:44:00,019 --> 02:43:57,090
point yeah the the community as a whole

3562
02:44:02,510 --> 02:44:00,029
has heard over and over again that we

3563
02:44:06,889 --> 02:44:02,520
can't handle the truth you know and that

3564
02:44:10,700 --> 02:44:06,899
that that couldn't be farther from fact

3565
02:44:13,519 --> 02:44:10,710
you know clearly it's the truth that we

3566
02:44:15,530 --> 02:44:13,529
are demanding and nobody's gonna freak

3567
02:44:18,440 --> 02:44:15,540
out here let's just lets you know get

3568
02:44:20,330 --> 02:44:18,450
these questions answered my concern and

3569
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:20,340
all of those points that you make I

3570
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:23,850
think are important and very valid but

3571
02:44:29,679 --> 02:44:28,080
when I read the letter it what and I

3572
02:44:33,559 --> 02:44:29,689
don't know if it's real or not and

3573
02:44:36,490 --> 02:44:33,569
Graham Grammer put aside and spelling

3574
02:44:39,860 --> 02:44:36,500
issues and all that put aside but when

3575
02:44:43,210 --> 02:44:39,870
but things are conveniently pointed out

3576
02:44:46,700 --> 02:44:43,220
there such as UFOs are real on our

3577
02:44:50,510 --> 02:44:46,710
threat to our men and women in uniform

3578
02:44:55,639 --> 02:44:50,520
and our nation and you don't care so

3579
02:44:57,769 --> 02:44:55,649
because of that I quit that that to me

3580
02:45:00,620 --> 02:44:57,779
wouldn't be in a resignation letter

3581
02:45:03,260 --> 02:45:00,630
number one by that not but that's not me

3582
02:45:06,559 --> 02:45:03,270
I didn't write it but it's too

3583
02:45:09,469 --> 02:45:06,569
convenient of a subject matter there

3584
02:45:12,559 --> 02:45:09,479
it's just way too convenient that it

3585
02:45:16,370 --> 02:45:12,569
happens to be and I don't believe I

3586
02:45:18,979 --> 02:45:16,380
could be wrong but I don't believe that

3587
02:45:21,950 --> 02:45:18,989
members of the Department of Defense and

3588
02:45:23,689 --> 02:45:21,960
certainly counterintelligence and so

3589
02:45:25,880 --> 02:45:23,699
forth are writing letters

3590
02:45:27,170 --> 02:45:25,890
this with that kind of information in it

3591
02:45:30,050 --> 02:45:27,180
to their boss

3592
02:45:33,499 --> 02:45:30,060
when they just want to retire and that's

3593
02:45:35,779 --> 02:45:33,509
that's my take I could be wrong I could

3594
02:45:37,969 --> 02:45:35,789
be way wrong on this but it just seemed

3595
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:37,979
too convenient to me and then to have

3596
02:45:44,569 --> 02:45:42,479
that letter Lee Keable on a website to

3597
02:45:47,170 --> 02:45:44,579
go out to the public it just seems too

3598
02:45:49,550 --> 02:45:47,180
convenient to me it's just I don't know

3599
02:45:51,079 --> 02:45:49,560
yeah and and here's what I would say

3600
02:45:54,590 --> 02:45:51,089
let's just assume for a moment it is

3601
02:46:01,039 --> 02:45:54,600
true and he did submit this my bigger

3602
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:01,049
question for this is we know because he

3603
02:46:05,059 --> 02:46:02,640
is mr. Ellison dough has said that the

3604
02:46:07,309 --> 02:46:05,069
funding ended in 2012 and they did this

3605
02:46:08,869 --> 02:46:07,319
by kind of sliding funds and and so on

3606
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:08,879
and so forth at least that's what I

3607
02:46:14,869 --> 02:46:11,850
believe he has said and I hope he

3608
02:46:20,029 --> 02:46:14,879
correct me if I am wrong but why did it

3609
02:46:21,679 --> 02:46:20,039
take from 2012 - well there's no date on

3610
02:46:25,130 --> 02:46:21,689
the letter which I know is a red flag

3611
02:46:27,289 --> 02:46:25,140
for all of us but approximately October

3612
02:46:31,630 --> 02:46:27,299
is his effective date for for retirement

3613
02:46:35,149 --> 02:46:31,640
was for October 2017 so why did it take

3614
02:46:37,309 --> 02:46:35,159
five years for him to kind of come to

3615
02:46:39,109 --> 02:46:37,319
grips with well you know there's more to

3616
02:46:42,739 --> 02:46:39,119
this UFO thing you guys should should

3617
02:46:45,559 --> 02:46:42,749
deal more so I quit that usually when

3618
02:46:47,719 --> 02:46:45,569
you're ticked off about something you'll

3619
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:47,729
do it within a couple weeks a couple

3620
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:50,640
months heck I'll even give it a year but

3621
02:46:56,539 --> 02:46:53,520
five years go by and he tells the

3622
02:46:58,459 --> 02:46:56,549
Secretary of Defense hey remember that

3623
02:47:00,559 --> 02:46:58,469
program that you guys funded five years

3624
02:47:02,959 --> 02:47:00,569
ago well there was a lot more to it so I

3625
02:47:05,989 --> 02:47:02,969
quit that and of course I'm paraphrasing

3626
02:47:08,179 --> 02:47:05,999
but that to me is the bigger thing that

3627
02:47:10,219 --> 02:47:08,189
doesn't make sense I don't I don't

3628
02:47:12,380 --> 02:47:10,229
understand why you would wait that long

3629
02:47:14,749 --> 02:47:12,390
and again it falls back to if they were

3630
02:47:17,239 --> 02:47:14,759
still doing this I want to know how they

3631
02:47:19,550 --> 02:47:17,249
did it because because he's he's

3632
02:47:21,979 --> 02:47:19,560
publicly saying it he's publicly saying

3633
02:47:24,559 --> 02:47:21,989
that funds came elsewhere that a tip as

3634
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,569
a whole was was stopped in 2012 but came

3635
02:47:28,840 --> 02:47:26,640
elsewhere well where was elsewhere

3636
02:47:31,639 --> 02:47:28,850
and why did those funds get a

3637
02:47:34,099 --> 02:47:31,649
misappropriated or re-appropriated based

3638
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:34,109
on your call I'm not accusing him of

3639
02:47:36,300 --> 02:47:35,850
anything please don't get me wrong well

3640
02:47:39,630 --> 02:47:36,310
I want to

3641
02:47:41,099 --> 02:47:39,640
know how that all came to be and and why

3642
02:47:43,319 --> 02:47:41,109
I believe that that wouldn't be

3643
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:43,329
classified is because he has gone on the

3644
02:47:47,550 --> 02:47:45,040
record stating the funds came elsewhere

3645
02:47:50,340 --> 02:47:47,560
well there is there is seven trillion

3646
02:47:53,040 --> 02:47:50,350
dollars of missing Pentagon money too as

3647
02:47:54,750 --> 02:47:53,050
well yeah but you're not going to have I

3648
02:47:56,550 --> 02:47:54,760
mean his his title when he retired was

3649
02:47:58,679 --> 02:47:56,560
the director of national program special

3650
02:48:00,330 --> 02:47:58,689
management staff I do not believe

3651
02:48:02,069 --> 02:48:00,340
somebody at that level has access to

3652
02:48:03,630 --> 02:48:02,079
that seven trillion dollars or twelve

3653
02:48:06,090 --> 02:48:03,640
trillion dollars or whatever it is and

3654
02:48:08,399 --> 02:48:06,100
and I'm not trying to be too facetious

3655
02:48:11,250 --> 02:48:08,409
there but I'm I'm really making the

3656
02:48:15,240 --> 02:48:11,260
point that you know again even at the

3657
02:48:16,590 --> 02:48:15,250
highest levels to slide money around you

3658
02:48:18,630 --> 02:48:16,600
know that there's a reason why these

3659
02:48:21,630 --> 02:48:18,640
checks and balances systems are there

3660
02:48:24,120 --> 02:48:21,640
and that's why funds are often found

3661
02:48:25,710 --> 02:48:24,130
missing you know I mean yeah it makes

3662
02:48:27,359 --> 02:48:25,720
you laugh that so many trillions of

3663
02:48:28,740 --> 02:48:27,369
dollars are out there but they

3664
02:48:30,780 --> 02:48:28,750
discovered that because of the checks

3665
02:48:32,639 --> 02:48:30,790
and balances system so you have to give

3666
02:48:35,160 --> 02:48:32,649
them some credit that they are watching

3667
02:48:37,500 --> 02:48:35,170
it and maybe too late day late and a

3668
02:48:39,479 --> 02:48:37,510
couple trillion dollars short but that

3669
02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:39,489
being said they're at least discovering

3670
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:42,310
that so as we kind of progress through

3671
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:44,050
the years I mean and I'm guessing you're

3672
02:48:49,319 --> 02:48:47,770
calling back to the pre 9/11 2001

3673
02:48:51,240 --> 02:48:49,329
statement right

3674
02:48:53,729 --> 02:48:51,250
you know trillions of dollars and that's

3675
02:48:56,899 --> 02:48:53,739
fine a lot of chin that was all happened

3676
02:49:00,149 --> 02:48:56,909
and it's true but fast forward now to

3677
02:49:02,250 --> 02:49:00,159
2016 17 18 things are a little bit

3678
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,260
different you know things are much more

3679
02:49:06,090 --> 02:49:04,720
under the microscope mistakes still

3680
02:49:08,340 --> 02:49:06,100
happened funds are definitely

3681
02:49:10,439 --> 02:49:08,350
misappropriated and all that but when

3682
02:49:11,969 --> 02:49:10,449
somebody comes out and puts on the

3683
02:49:14,519 --> 02:49:11,979
record that they are doing something

3684
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:14,529
like that to continue a program that

3685
02:49:21,210 --> 02:49:18,250
they believed in that to me is a very

3686
02:49:23,460 --> 02:49:21,220
big question on how that was able to to

3687
02:49:25,260 --> 02:49:23,470
come about again i stress it's not

3688
02:49:27,479 --> 02:49:25,270
questioning integrity or honor or

3689
02:49:31,380 --> 02:49:27,489
anybody's service to our country

3690
02:49:34,050 --> 02:49:31,390
it's clarifying a very very big claim

3691
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:34,060
that has now kind of been floated out

3692
02:49:39,030 --> 02:49:36,970
there and again it really comes down to

3693
02:49:40,590 --> 02:49:39,040
making sure that we're accurate because

3694
02:49:43,139 --> 02:49:40,600
if i don't ask these questions

3695
02:49:44,760 --> 02:49:43,149
the next journalist that decides to do a

3696
02:49:47,069 --> 02:49:44,770
story on this and they see all these red

3697
02:49:49,319 --> 02:49:47,079
flags they may not be as fair and

3698
02:49:50,240 --> 02:49:49,329
balanced as that Newsweek article you

3699
02:49:52,490 --> 02:49:50,250
know i mean that

3700
02:49:54,140 --> 02:49:52,500
journalist Keith clora was the one that

3701
02:49:57,560 --> 02:49:54,150
I wrote it for Newsweek he did a great

3702
02:49:59,480 --> 02:49:57,570
job doing all sides and looking at you

3703
02:50:01,310 --> 02:49:59,490
know who's involved watching mr.

3704
02:50:03,590 --> 02:50:01,320
Elizondo speak and who's involved with

3705
02:50:05,390 --> 02:50:03,600
to the Stars Academy and going through

3706
02:50:07,460 --> 02:50:05,400
all of these claims but again

3707
02:50:10,520 --> 02:50:07,470
journalists that are doing their job are

3708
02:50:13,070 --> 02:50:10,530
asking important questions and as the

3709
02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:13,080
days and months and now years are taking

3710
02:50:17,930 --> 02:50:15,570
on as you don't have the answers to some

3711
02:50:19,010 --> 02:50:17,940
of these basic questions about the

3712
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:19,020
bigger claims

3713
02:50:24,770 --> 02:50:21,810
I'm afraid that now it's going to have a

3714
02:50:27,560 --> 02:50:24,780
negative impact on future stories

3715
02:50:30,410 --> 02:50:27,570
involving UFOs and government secrecy

3716
02:50:32,990 --> 02:50:30,420
and I don't think that that is

3717
02:50:36,290 --> 02:50:33,000
benefiting the public by keeping this

3718
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:36,300
information away if we're not ready and

3719
02:50:40,580 --> 02:50:38,010
that's what they want to claim I would

3720
02:50:42,200 --> 02:50:40,590
highly disagree with that and it could

3721
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:42,210
just come down to they claim they have

3722
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:44,250
evidence that they don't have in the

3723
02:50:49,070 --> 02:50:46,800
form of the evidence that the DoD

3724
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:49,080
released these videos so again there's a

3725
02:50:54,290 --> 02:50:51,840
lot of unanswered questions here that we

3726
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:54,300
as the UFO community should lock down

3727
02:50:59,450 --> 02:50:56,640
first before somebody from the media

3728
02:51:00,800 --> 02:50:59,460
really tears it up and says wow you know

3729
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:00,810
we thought this was a great story in

3730
02:51:06,170 --> 02:51:04,170
December of 2017 but you know this is

3731
02:51:07,970 --> 02:51:06,180
getting a little ridiculous and you've

3732
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:07,980
got a corporation collecting money from

3733
02:51:14,570 --> 02:51:11,010
the public that's not necessarily being

3734
02:51:15,410 --> 02:51:14,580
100% truthful and open-open is more the

3735
02:51:19,250 --> 02:51:15,420
word I would use

3736
02:51:22,130 --> 02:51:19,260
and so the that I believe may start to

3737
02:51:24,290 --> 02:51:22,140
come back and and bite all of us in the

3738
02:51:25,790 --> 02:51:24,300
UFO community and that's why I get

3739
02:51:28,370 --> 02:51:25,800
passionate about asking these questions

3740
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:28,380
and they're just that we shouldn't we

3741
02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:31,200
shouldn't be afraid to ask questions and

3742
02:51:35,630 --> 02:51:33,930
as you know Jimmy being in this field we

3743
02:51:38,840 --> 02:51:35,640
shouldn't be afraid to have questions

3744
02:51:41,450 --> 02:51:38,850
asked of us and anything that I say on

3745
02:51:43,550 --> 02:51:41,460
your program or on my own program or

3746
02:51:46,090 --> 02:51:43,560
anything on the black vault comm or

3747
02:51:48,350 --> 02:51:46,100
anywhere that I've you know spoken I

3748
02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:48,360
appreciate when somebody challenges what

3749
02:51:52,610 --> 02:51:50,730
I have to say because it keeps me on my

3750
02:51:55,670 --> 02:51:52,620
toes to make sure that I'm not spreading

3751
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:55,680
BS myself you know that I'm not under

3752
02:52:00,170 --> 02:51:57,210
the false impression about something

3753
02:52:03,590 --> 02:52:00,180
that I can back up everything that I say

3754
02:52:03,970 --> 02:52:03,600
in the form of actual real evidence that

3755
02:52:06,161 --> 02:52:03,980
you

3756
02:52:08,501 --> 02:52:06,171
hold and if I have just an opinion I'll

3757
02:52:11,740 --> 02:52:08,511
label it just that it's my honest

3758
02:52:13,751 --> 02:52:11,750
opinion of X Y Z but when I make a claim

3759
02:52:16,930 --> 02:52:13,761
I back it up and I feel that we really

3760
02:52:18,671 --> 02:52:16,940
need to push not only to the stars I

3761
02:52:21,701 --> 02:52:18,681
don't want to pick on them only but

3762
02:52:23,230 --> 02:52:21,711
really make a push to ask people for

3763
02:52:25,900 --> 02:52:23,240
evidence when they make these bigger

3764
02:52:28,270 --> 02:52:25,910
claims because it only benefits us all

3765
02:52:30,850 --> 02:52:28,280
when we make those demands if we ignore

3766
02:52:32,801 --> 02:52:30,860
them and just kind of blindly pledge our

3767
02:52:37,570 --> 02:52:32,811
allegiance to some of these efforts and

3768
02:52:39,640 --> 02:52:37,580
claims that comes back to hurt us and my

3769
02:52:42,430 --> 02:52:39,650
point you don't even have to go back far

3770
02:52:44,711 --> 02:52:42,440
in UFO history just go back to the

3771
02:52:47,740 --> 02:52:44,721
Roswell dummy of Roswell aliens excuse

3772
02:52:50,230 --> 02:52:47,750
me right that were that we're touted as

3773
02:52:53,261 --> 02:52:50,240
being you know Roswell mummies you've

3774
02:52:55,390 --> 02:52:53,271
got the the the the Gaia claims of Nazca

3775
02:52:57,060 --> 02:52:55,400
mummies and I mean you've got a lot of

3776
02:52:59,501 --> 02:52:57,070
different claims that have come about

3777
02:53:01,360 --> 02:52:59,511
over the years and I think that we just

3778
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:01,370
need to make an effort to make sure that

3779
02:53:05,711 --> 02:53:04,160
when those claims are made we asked for

3780
02:53:09,371 --> 02:53:05,721
the evidence that goes along with it

3781
02:53:13,060 --> 02:53:09,381
have you is that even Lewis's signature

3782
02:53:15,490 --> 02:53:13,070
I was curious about that I don't know I

3783
02:53:17,860 --> 02:53:15,500
thought when I saw this post that I was

3784
02:53:20,411 --> 02:53:17,870
curious if anybody at MUFON got him to

3785
02:53:22,121 --> 02:53:20,421
sign something and I was curious you

3786
02:53:24,220 --> 02:53:22,131
know like like cross-references

3787
02:53:25,511 --> 02:53:24,230
autograph but I want to give him the

3788
02:53:27,371 --> 02:53:25,521
benefit of the doubt this was on Chris

3789
02:53:32,020 --> 02:53:27,381
Mullins site I I don't want to say yeah

3790
02:53:33,730 --> 02:53:32,030
it's probably fake I I want to know why

3791
02:53:35,530 --> 02:53:33,740
again there's there's there's red flags

3792
02:53:37,360 --> 02:53:35,540
we can dissect it all night long but

3793
02:53:40,661 --> 02:53:37,370
yeah you've already pointed out spelling

3794
02:53:42,371 --> 02:53:40,671
errors generally when you see things

3795
02:53:44,860 --> 02:53:42,381
from the DoD and I've got thousands of

3796
02:53:48,270 --> 02:53:44,870
examples it's memorandum for the record

3797
02:53:52,030 --> 02:53:48,280
not many memorandum for a : record

3798
02:53:55,421 --> 02:53:52,040
that's like there but it's undated yeah

3799
02:53:58,331 --> 02:53:55,431
they did no addresses on it and no no

3800
02:54:02,350 --> 02:53:58,341
copy - nothing else is as referenced so

3801
02:54:05,081 --> 02:54:02,360
it's it yeah I don't know maybe the DoD

3802
02:54:07,121 --> 02:54:05,091
has changed their letter formatting but

3803
02:54:09,850 --> 02:54:07,131
I thought all business letters oh you

3804
02:54:12,850 --> 02:54:09,860
know basically you know you have an

3805
02:54:14,869 --> 02:54:12,860
office a number an office number an

3806
02:54:17,300 --> 02:54:14,879
address a building number

3807
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:17,310
all of that is that and none of it and

3808
02:54:22,309 --> 02:54:19,680
of course the address now what did you

3809
02:54:25,069 --> 02:54:22,319
make of I've got two minutes left here

3810
02:54:27,889 --> 02:54:25,079
John and thank you for this overtime the

3811
02:54:31,340 --> 02:54:27,899
other stuff that was downloaded off of a

3812
02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:31,350
melon site and I'm looking at him here

3813
02:54:35,929 --> 02:54:33,600
I'm not I'm not sharing any of this

3814
02:54:37,849 --> 02:54:35,939
online but one of the things that I

3815
02:54:42,290 --> 02:54:37,859
thought was interesting was the shot of

3816
02:54:44,510 --> 02:54:42,300
these four DVDs or no they're discs I

3817
02:54:46,909 --> 02:54:44,520
don't know if officially if they're DVDs

3818
02:54:49,130 --> 02:54:46,919
but they're data discs one of four - Oh

3819
02:54:53,979 --> 02:54:49,140
for three or four for four dated nine

3820
02:54:57,219 --> 02:54:53,989
five I'm assuming September 5th 2017

3821
02:55:01,849 --> 02:54:57,229
what do you make of that because it says

3822
02:55:04,519 --> 02:55:01,859
unclassified US government property yeah

3823
02:55:06,949 --> 02:55:04,529
those are fairly standard CDs I've

3824
02:55:09,319 --> 02:55:06,959
received them quite often even than FOIA

3825
02:55:12,679 --> 02:55:09,329
requests and the reason is is because a

3826
02:55:16,069 --> 02:55:12,689
lot of times you know a DoD and related

3827
02:55:17,989 --> 02:55:16,079
agencies will copy information from

3828
02:55:20,029 --> 02:55:17,999
their system or a system and move it

3829
02:55:21,859 --> 02:55:20,039
over and so they have to differentiate

3830
02:55:24,920 --> 02:55:21,869
between when something goes to a digital

3831
02:55:27,019 --> 02:55:24,930
medium whether or not it is unclassified

3832
02:55:29,269 --> 02:55:27,029
or holds a higher clearance level and

3833
02:55:31,909 --> 02:55:29,279
then if it is higher clearance there's

3834
02:55:34,429 --> 02:55:31,919
rerouting transmittal slips top top

3835
02:55:36,439 --> 02:55:34,439
secret and secret and and you know

3836
02:55:38,689 --> 02:55:36,449
classified document handling procedures

3837
02:55:41,179 --> 02:55:38,699
or again kind of geeky but they're

3838
02:55:43,159 --> 02:55:41,189
pretty fascinating so that didn't

3839
02:55:45,019 --> 02:55:43,169
surprise me because there's a thousand

3840
02:55:47,389 --> 02:55:45,029
explanations on why they would have that

3841
02:55:49,189 --> 02:55:47,399
I can show you quite a few that I've

3842
02:55:51,380 --> 02:55:49,199
received over the years of the same

3843
02:55:56,479 --> 02:55:51,390
thing so that that's kind of standard so

3844
02:55:58,159 --> 02:55:56,489
what exactly was on those CDs I you know

3845
02:55:59,899 --> 02:55:58,169
it could be it could be anything I'm not

3846
02:56:01,760 --> 02:55:59,909
really sure but when they take home with

3847
02:56:03,949 --> 02:56:01,770
them their own work or if they're

3848
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:03,959
working on something unclassified you

3849
02:56:08,989 --> 02:56:05,970
know they plop it onto a CD and that's

3850
02:56:10,489 --> 02:56:08,999
probably what they're using if that was

3851
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,499
the transmission of the videos

3852
02:56:15,019 --> 02:56:12,479
themselves I mean maybe I think that

3853
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:15,029
that's kind of the allegation out there

3854
02:56:20,079 --> 02:56:17,010
that these are the CDs that they were

3855
02:56:24,829 --> 02:56:20,089
able to get and the DoD released them

3856
02:56:27,469 --> 02:56:24,839
well what I you know that's what I read

3857
02:56:28,500 --> 02:56:27,479
into it it it's but it's possible but

3858
02:56:31,529 --> 02:56:28,510
but again he

3859
02:56:33,179 --> 02:56:31,539
in the final seconds here the Pentagon

3860
02:56:34,620 --> 02:56:33,189
claimed that they did not release the

3861
02:56:35,460 --> 02:56:34,630
videos right we've already established

3862
02:56:37,500 --> 02:56:35,470
that that's right

3863
02:56:39,689 --> 02:56:37,510
in order to get the videos out the he

3864
02:56:41,399 --> 02:56:39,699
had to file what's called a DD Form 1910

3865
02:56:43,710 --> 02:56:41,409
I have filed for your request for these

3866
02:56:45,779 --> 02:56:43,720
forms I have yet to receive them cases

3867
02:56:47,429 --> 02:56:45,789
are still open regardless of all that

3868
02:56:49,710 --> 02:56:47,439
let's just say it's called a Doppler

3869
02:56:51,450 --> 02:56:49,720
process once the Doppler process is

3870
02:56:54,269 --> 02:56:51,460
completed here's what the Pentagon says

3871
02:56:56,460 --> 02:56:54,279
just because it's it's completed and

3872
02:56:59,969 --> 02:56:56,470
let's just say the approval was made for

3873
02:57:02,969 --> 02:56:59,979
them to be released that in itself is

3874
02:57:04,859 --> 02:57:02,979
not authorizing the release there is

3875
02:57:06,719 --> 02:57:04,869
still another step after the Doppler

3876
02:57:09,660 --> 02:57:06,729
process which according to the Pentagon

3877
02:57:13,620 --> 02:57:09,670
which was told to me in writing by the

3878
02:57:16,469 --> 02:57:13,630
major from the Pentagon that process was

3879
02:57:18,179 --> 02:57:16,479
not complete they would not verify

3880
02:57:20,609 --> 02:57:18,189
whether or not the videos were real I

3881
02:57:22,649 --> 02:57:20,619
will say myself I do believe they're

3882
02:57:24,929 --> 02:57:22,659
real whether or not they're true UFOs I

3883
02:57:28,050 --> 02:57:24,939
have no idea but I don't have any doubts

3884
02:57:31,139 --> 02:57:28,060
- the videos I have reservations about

3885
02:57:33,359 --> 02:57:31,149
the audio on the videos that's a

3886
02:57:34,859 --> 02:57:33,369
different conversation but I believe

3887
02:57:36,779 --> 02:57:34,869
that maybe there was some doctoring on

3888
02:57:39,090 --> 02:57:36,789
the audio but that's just a gut feeling

3889
02:57:40,620 --> 02:57:39,100
other than that though I don't really

3890
02:57:42,420 --> 02:57:40,630
have doubts that the videos are not

3891
02:57:44,580 --> 02:57:42,430
genuine I think they probably are the

3892
02:57:47,250 --> 02:57:44,590
question mark is though what's the

3893
02:57:49,950 --> 02:57:47,260
context of them and on top of that why

3894
02:57:52,590 --> 02:57:49,960
wasn't the process completed and if

3895
02:57:55,260 --> 02:57:52,600
these CDs are those videos then you know

3896
02:57:57,599 --> 02:57:55,270
was this oops mistake that they that

3897
02:57:59,700 --> 02:57:57,609
they did not follow the the proper

3898
02:58:02,489 --> 02:57:59,710
procedure I'm not gonna fault anybody

3899
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:02,499
for that I mean stuff happens but let's

3900
02:58:06,870 --> 02:58:04,479
make sure that we get all the accurate

3901
02:58:08,580 --> 02:58:06,880
information but at the end of the day

3902
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:08,590
the Pentagon is denying that they ever

3903
02:58:14,370 --> 02:58:11,289
released these things so the question

3904
02:58:17,340 --> 02:58:14,380
mark is what really is the origin and I

3905
02:58:19,859 --> 02:58:17,350
do fall back on my criticism that they

3906
02:58:21,899 --> 02:58:19,869
claim they have proof that the

3907
02:58:23,460 --> 02:58:21,909
government released and authorized the

3908
02:58:26,399 --> 02:58:23,470
release of these videos but they will

3909
02:58:27,779 --> 02:58:26,409
not show you and I you know I have a lot

3910
02:58:30,479 --> 02:58:27,789
of problem with that because when you

3911
02:58:33,120 --> 02:58:30,489
make a claim this big and these videos

3912
02:58:36,330 --> 02:58:33,130
are kind of interesting why wouldn't you

3913
02:58:38,460 --> 02:58:36,340
show that and it's unfortunate but that

3914
02:58:39,899 --> 02:58:38,470
is what it is that's that's what they're

3915
02:58:41,519 --> 02:58:39,909
they're telling everybody that they

3916
02:58:42,090 --> 02:58:41,529
won't they won't tell you they won't

3917
02:58:46,529 --> 02:58:42,100
show you

3918
02:58:49,319 --> 02:58:46,539
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3919
02:58:52,229 --> 02:58:49,329
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3920
02:58:54,119 --> 02:58:52,239
took it right up to the network break I

3921
02:58:54,449 --> 02:58:54,129
got a run credit so you just stay right

3922
02:58:57,029 --> 02:58:54,459
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3923
02:58:59,460 --> 02:58:57,039
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02:59:01,859 --> 02:58:59,470
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3933
02:59:24,300 --> 02:59:21,459
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3934
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3935
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3940
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3945
02:59:54,700 --> 02:59:51,100
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3946
02:59:57,991 --> 02:59:54,710
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03:00:00,571 --> 02:59:58,001
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3948
03:00:01,930 --> 03:00:00,581
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